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[10:53:32] <Zash> Anyone know of a client that supports SRV, but doesn't care about the port numeber?
[10:54:16] <Kev> Are you asking "Anyone know about a client with broken SRV"?
[10:54:22] <Zash> Yes :D
[10:54:45] <Zash> Something seems to connect to the correct host, but port 5222 instead of what's in the SRV
[10:54:52] <Kev> I know Spark/Smack's SRV lookup was broken last time I tried, but I think it was broken in just using the first result and ignoring the rest, rather than ignoring ports.
[10:55:09] <Kev> I think iChat is broken in that it picks one host and then never tries others, but again I don't know that it's ignoring ports.
[10:55:51] <Zash> This is a backup/failover server, so it's something that appears to try more than the highest prio'd
[10:57:27] <Zash> Or, does prio wrong and ignores ports
[10:59:58] <Kev> Well, Spark did the former, the last time I tried.
[11:00:03] <Kev> I don't know that it does the latter.
[11:07:04] <Zash> I usualy have this backup offline, since some broken clients would connect there first, but those apparently got the port right..
[11:31:38] <Zash> Could it be .. jitsi?
[11:35:40] <Zash> Jupp
[11:51:28] <Wojtek> Hello everyone
[11:52:11] <Wojtek> I have a question about rejecting a subscription request
[11:53:58] <Wojtek> it seems quite straightforward, but first condition in section 3.2.2 seems to contradict the security warning from 3.1.3 (i.e. not routing the unsubscribed presence when the user is not in contact roster)
[11:58:49] <Hermitifier> Wojtek: but user is already added to contact's roster, so that contact can send subscription request.
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[12:01:25] <Wojtek> Hermitifier: how so? when I receive subscription request the requester's contact should not be added to my roster unless I accept the request -- correct? therefore my reject of the request should not be routed by my server?
[12:03:10] <Hermitifier> Right - contact is not in your roster. But you are already in his - so your rejection will be delivered.
[12:09:53] <Wojtek> well yes, but section 3.2.1/3.2.2 describe the rejection from the 'my roster' point of view -- isn't it? "If a *contact* would like(...) to *deny* a subscription request" and then it follows "Upon receiving the outbound subscription cancellation, the *contact's* server MUST proceed as follows: If the *user's* bare JID is not yet in the *contact's* roster (...) the *contact's* server SHOULD NOT route or deliver the presence stanza of type "unsubscribed" to the user(...)."
[12:20:31] <Hermitifier> You're right. But that's not really contradiction - you just cannot determine if your request was denied or ignored.
[12:27:32] <Wojtek> right, but doesn't that fails the purpose? I mean user1 issue a request to user2, user2 rejects the request but user2's server does not route the response therefore we end up in some kind of hung up? also user1's server should at some intervals resend the request to user2 (i.e. last paragraph of 3.1.2) even tho user2 already responded?
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[13:32:25] <Hermitifier> Wojtek: Even if you are not yet in contact's roster, the subscription state is already None + Pending In. And according to appendix A: "This state might or might not be reflected in the [...] roster", and also routing of outbound "unsubscribed" is a MUST.
[13:34:48] <Wojtek> I've missed that part - mea culpa, it clarifies that
[13:35:15] <Hermitifier> This is what 3.2.2 is missing, it should specify that 'not yet in roster' is point 1. only when subscription state is "None"
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[13:59:28] <Hermitifier> So it is contradictory after all.
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