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[06:34:22] <johnson39951> Hi
[06:34:47] <johnson39951> hi@Tanguy @Tanguy
[06:35:07] <johnson39951> hello@harrykar
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[06:44:38] <kennedy41059> hola
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[08:58:00] <jackson32474> does anyone know if there's a BOSCH http bind configured on jabber.org to connect with a JavaScript client?
[08:59:38] <Kev> There isn't.
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[09:00:08] <jackson32474> ok, ty
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[09:51:17] <eumegaf@jabber.org> Hi everyone
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[09:51:45] <Megaf> How are things?
[09:52:08] <louiz’> fine
[09:52:27] <Megaf> Im here messing arround with Endian Firewall Community edition
[09:52:49] <Megaf> pretty damn good firefox/proxy/virus/and so on stuff
[09:52:54] <Megaf> firewall*
[09:52:55] <Megaf> lol
[09:55:43] <Megaf> BRB
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[09:58:02] <eumegaf@jabber.org> back
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[11:55:00] <dAnjou> hi, is it possible to retrieve user information (name, email, tel, ...) without being logged in?
[11:55:26] <Link Mauve> No.
[11:56:06] <dAnjou> but you can retrieve this information from unauthorized users if you are logged in?
[11:56:59] <Kev> Not necessarily.
[11:57:16] <Kev> Some people/servers will be exposing this to people outside the roster, others won't.
[11:57:47] <dAnjou> hmm, yeah. just tried on you :P
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[12:25:16] <hoover60364> ny1 there?
[12:25:26] <hoover60364> i want some help
[12:31:41] <Kev> Ask the question :)
[12:37:57] <hoover60364> ya
[12:38:18] <hoover60364> Have u used pidgin?
[12:38:54] <hoover60364> i want to start conference in that
[12:39:15] <hoover60364> for facebook xmpp
[12:39:38] <hoover60364> ny 1 there?
[12:40:26] <louiz’> you cannot join a conference room with a facebook account
[12:41:02] <louiz’> facebook doesn’t have a MUC component, as far as I know, and facebook has no server2server, so you cannot contact any external server
[12:42:14] <hoover60364> k
[12:42:21] <hoover60364> thnkx man
[12:42:24] <Link Mauve> They also removed the possibility to send iq, afaik.
[12:43:23] <louiz’> yeah, but that’s not relevant
[12:43:46] <hoover60364> btw i saw this server facebook.einfachjabber.de
[12:43:53] <hoover60364> wats that about
[12:44:13] <hoover60364> http://www.jabberes.org/servers/servers_by_conference_x-muc.html
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[12:47:50] <louiz’> I think that’s a gateway
[12:48:36] <louiz’> you configure that gateway to use your facebook account, and then you can talk to your facebook contacts using only your normal XMPP account
[12:48:51] <louiz’> If you do not have an XMPP account, then that’s useless
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[12:55:35] <hoover60364> facebook account is XMPP account only, isnt it?
[12:58:31] <hoover60364> i got it man thnx
[12:59:50] <garfield26004> hi folks, can someone provide me with a room name? I'm new to Jabber and want to ensure everything is set up correctly, cant find a room with people in it!
[13:00:06] <louiz’> facebook is a special XMPP account where you can only talk to facebook users
[13:00:21] <louiz’> garfield26004, you’re in a room with people in it
[13:02:13] <garfield26004> yes, but not via my client(pidgin), currently im using the webservice speeqe
[13:03:11] <louiz’> that room is jabber@conference.jabber.org and you can join it with pidgin
[13:04:54] <garfield26004> "he" tells me it's an: invalid room name
[13:06:12] <garfield26004> room: jabber@conference.jabber.org ; server: conference.jabber.org right?
[13:06:21] <louiz’> nope
[13:06:24] <louiz’> room: jabber
[13:06:30] <louiz’> server: conference.jabber.org
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[13:07:03] <louiz’> ho
[13:07:41] <jens-odin> ok thanks for the help louiz'
[13:07:52] <louiz’> you’re welcome :)
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[14:49:47] <shibboleth> Hi all, can anyone tell me how to see a room list on jabber.org <http://jabber.org>? I'm using iChat
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[14:58:49] <jackson22703> hey
[14:58:59] <jackson22703> does anyone have source code for an iphone chat app?
[15:00:34] <Link Mauve> iphone programs can only be proprietary, AFAIK.
[15:01:06] <jackson22703> I've heard you can use jabber to make a chat app
[15:01:26] <Kev> Link Mauve: They can't be GPL. They can be other opensource licenses.
[15:01:31] <Link Mauve> Ok.
[15:01:55] <Link Mauve> But at the end, the user will have a proprietary binary, nothing else.
[15:02:00] <louiz’> other non-copyleft licence
[15:02:00] <Kev> Link Mauve: Yes.
[15:02:44] <louiz’> jackson22703, anyway, yeah, you can use jabber to make a chat app, but I don’t know any for Iphone since I don’t use that thing
[15:02:58] <Kev> jackson22703: You can, yes. What exactly do you want to do?
[15:03:30] <Kev> e.g. I know Swiften (XMPP library) will compile fine for iPhone, but would be non-free because you'd need a non-GPL license.
[15:05:10] <louiz’> but he can have the source code
[15:05:23] <jackson22703> I'm just looking for some sample code to get a chat/IM app running
[15:10:11] <Kev> louiz’: He can, he just can't submit it to Apple.
[15:10:41] <louiz’> and you can install apps on Iphone without going through apple?
[15:11:03] <louiz’> jackson22703, look for a XMPP lib written in whatever langage can run on Iphone
[15:11:53] <Kev> louiz’: Without sending them to Apple, yes.
[15:12:01] <louiz’> ok
[15:12:18] <Kev> You have to be a dev, get dev profiles from Apple for the device, etc.
[15:12:46] <Kev> It's also impossible to give it to other testers (Because of the Tivoisation clauses in the GPL).
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[18:34:07] <truman31929> hi, I have a question about google talk (using apps) and jabber.
[18:34:43] <Tobias> ask
[18:35:09] <truman31929> I have a VPS hosting which offers a jabber service, and I use the domain with google talks which has a chat function which works through the web, but I had also been using a jabber client specifically configured to it.
[18:35:45] <truman31929> For the sake of privacy I tried setting up the VPS with the jabber feature on the same domain, so I could login to that when I wanted to, and I used slightly different password
[18:36:07] <truman31929> anyway, the long and short of it is that google talk stoped working through my jabber client
[18:36:31] <truman31929> and I can't seem to get it back even after I removed the accounts from my VPS
[18:36:36] <truman31929> so I'm not sure what's going on
[18:37:27] <truman31929> it's like there's some sort of login authority which decides where a domain works for jabber
[18:37:29] <truman31929> is this correct?
[18:37:59] <Kev> There is - it's the DNS SRV record _xmpp-client._tcp.yourdomain.
[18:38:13] <Kev> e.g. _xmpp-client._tcp.jabber.org or _xmpp-client._tcp.isode.com
[18:38:51] <truman31929> So would removing these srv records direct my domain back to google?
[18:39:07] <Kev> No, pointing them to Google, combined with telling Google to host the domain, would.
[18:39:14] <truman31929> or am I going to have to manually add them (they were never configured before I moved the domain to the VPS)
[18:39:40] <truman31929> I never had srv entries configured before
[18:39:47] <truman31929> why am I going to have to have them now?
[18:39:47] <Kev> Well, you should also have _xmpp-server._tcp.your.domain - if you don't have that one then users on other servers won't be able to talk to you at all.
[18:41:53] <truman31929> hmmm
[18:43:02] <truman31929> I am wondering how it worked at all. All I've ever configured prior to this conundrum was the MX records over to google. I've never had to configure anything related to google talk's chat.
[18:43:29] <Kev> What that means is that Google thought they were hosting the domain, but no-one else through Google was.
[18:44:02] <truman31929> So by setting up these SRV records I should clean the slate so to speak?
[18:44:06] <Kev> So anyone within the Google server would probably be able to talk to you, but no-one on other servers would, and your client would only connect if you overrode the DNS lookup to force it to connect to Google.
[18:44:24] <Kev> You won't clean the slate, you'll do better than that - you'll make sure you've got the correct configuration.
[18:44:47] <truman31929> Well what was happening before is that I would setup the jabber client to connect to google's servers
[18:44:54] <Kev> Right.
[18:45:02] <Kev> You shouldn't need to do that, it means that DNS isn't set up correctly.
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[18:47:01] <truman31929> oh I see
[18:47:23] <truman31929> and because google's servers follow the jabber protocol the protocol includes checking the DNS for where to go
[18:47:39] <Kev> If you tell an XMPP client to connec to you@your.domain, it looks up _xmpp-client._tcp.your.domain, which tells it where it needs to connect to.
[18:48:36] <Kev> I don't know what causes Google's servers to not host a domain - but I would have thought that SRV not being set up, combined with A records being set up (they're a fallback) and pointing to a different server that also runs XMPP might do it.
[18:49:26] <truman31929> what I think happened in this case
[18:49:40] <truman31929> is that since there were new SRV records setup directing the domain elsewhere
[18:49:44] <truman31929> this got cached somewhere
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[18:50:31] <truman31929> and after I dropped the configuration (which removed the offending srv records)
[18:50:41] <truman31929> these are still getting in the way
[18:51:00] <Kev> It's possible you need to re-enable XMPP hosting in your apps account, or such.
[18:51:22] <truman31929> ironically it's still working just in from apps
[18:51:28] <truman31929> I just can't use 3rd party clients
[18:51:36] <truman31929> the google clients work just fine
[18:51:47] <truman31929> but empathy on ubuntu is having a hissyfit
[18:52:06] <truman31929> thanks for the clarification
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[21:48:12] <roosevelt36705> Hello
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[21:50:56] <roosevelt36705> I have a question. Anyone is having problems with gtalk contacts when using a jabber account ?
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[22:17:16] <Link Mauve> Do anyone know a Jingle client for Android?
[22:17:45] <Link Mauve> Not limited to one server like google's one.
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