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[00:18:04] <cheney13304> what should i use if i have windows xp
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[02:10:38] <gjha652> GOOD MORNING
[02:11:13] <Milan.in> gjha652: morning (c)
[02:13:08] <gjha652> HI...WHAT ARE U DOING THIS TIME?
[02:13:38] <Milan.in> gjha652: its almost 8AM
[02:14:00] <Milan.in> gjha652: I mean over here
[02:15:12] <gjha652> so ready for office
[02:15:25] <Milan.in> gjha652: yes
[02:17:00] <gjha652> WHICH COMPANY
[02:17:11] <darkrain> Please don't yell.
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[09:35:44] <reagan45031> excuse me I need help on your service
[09:36:24] <reagan45031> ?
[09:36:33] <Kev> Ask your question :)
[09:38:25] <reagan45031> I create my jabber account and download my personal client.Why the client says that it can't connect to sevrer?
[09:39:36] <Kev> I do not know. What client, and how have you configured it?
[09:40:33] <Kev> What's the exact error you get?
[09:40:46] <reagan45031> I'm using Pidgin and set up the follow parameters:User name,domain and password
[09:41:22] <reagan45031> the application responds that it can connect to the server
[09:41:27] <Kev> What do you have in the username and domain fields?
[09:41:55] <reagan45031> I put the user account that I've registered in jabber.org
[09:42:12] <reagan45031> and in the domain I put "jabber.org"
[09:43:07] <Kev> If you try to telnet to port 5222 on hermes.jabber.org, what happens?
[09:43:48] <reagan45031> Let me do it
[09:48:39] <reagan45031> It can't open connection according to my prompt
[09:49:35] <Kev> That suggests you're behind a firewall or similar.
[09:50:08] <reagan45031> in that case do you how can proceed (thanks in advance)
[09:51:35] <Kev> Work out where the firewall is (your PC/your home router/school/work/wherever you are) and allow port 5222 outgoing, or contact
the administrator and ask for them to open port 5222 outgoing.
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[10:20:56] <reagan45031> my port is not close ii using an online service to check it
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[11:51:26] <lincoln57104> hey how can i add a group of people to my list without adding them manually?
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[11:59:46] <Tanguy> lincoln57104, define “group”.
[12:00:54] <Tanguy> If what you have is something like a text with names and addresses, e.g. a series of lines “Name <address>” and want to add
them to your roster, then you need a Jabber client that would allow such a thing.
[12:01:28] <lincoln57104> were in a company and we opend our own server so every employe should be able to install jabba and getting all other employes
without adding them one by one
[12:01:43] <Tanguy> If I had to do so, I would use Vim to transform this list into commands for MCabber, the Jabber client I am using, then pasting
them to MCabber.
[12:01:59] <Tanguy> Okay, what you need is a shared roster, in fact.
[12:02:15] <Tanguy> But think about that, do you *really* want such a thing?
[12:02:20] <Tanguy> How many are you?
[12:02:29] <lincoln57104> mhh +40
[12:03:09] <Tanguy> Do you really want each of you to have all 40 people in its roster, and everyone to now everyone else's status?
[12:03:57] <lincoln57104> thats it, because we need it for better communikation without blocking the telephones
[12:04:00] <Tanguy> Because people usually do not have to talk to everyone. There exist chatrooms to general communication, and having the people
in your service is usually enough.
[12:04:01] <lincoln57104> so where i define a shared roster and if one already exists where can i find it and how to add?
[12:04:14] <Tanguy> Depends on the server you are using.
[12:04:38] <Tanguy> But remember that a shared roster is often a bad solution to a problem that was not fully understood.
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[12:05:06] <Tanguy> For instance, it does not scale. Imagine you grow to 200 employees. Then to 1000. A shared roster would then become a burden.
[12:06:15] <lincoln57104> youre right but i only execute orders from the boss<.<
[12:06:37] <Tanguy> Okay. Then it depends on the server you are using. Should be documented.
[12:07:31] <lincoln57104> okay i guess i have to figure out what server we are using.thanks for your help.
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[12:14:52] <Kev> Tanguy: There's no problem with 1000-person rosters.
[12:15:23] <Kev> At least, not in principle, I don't claim that all implementations cope well, but we've had at least one roster with multiple
thousand users in it for years.
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[12:21:06] <Tanguy> Well, it is harder to handle for a human being.
[12:21:18] <Tanguy> It requires an appropriate Jabber client to assist you in that.
[12:22:40] <Holger> Indeed. But such a requirement is not exactly a convincing reason to generally recommend against shared rosters.
[12:26:06] <Holger> (And there's no point in solving non-existent scalability problems anyway. Many companies with 40 employees are very unlikely
to ever grow to 1000 employees.)
[12:31:50] <Tanguy> I meant human scalability.
[12:32:07] <Tanguy> 40 people in my roster are already kind of more than what I can handle without pain.
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[19:11:44] <pinchartl> hi
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[19:41:46] <pinchartl> Kev: any update ? :-)
[19:42:50] <Kev> No, I didn't hear anything back from Google.
[19:43:23] <pinchartl> I'm really biting my fingers for not asking the gtalk SRE I met for his e-mail address :-(
[19:43:32] <Kev> I should check with Peter whether he sent the mail, when he's back from the IETF meet.
[19:44:48] <pinchartl> thanks
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[19:59:22] <yonosoyyo> pinchartl:
[19:59:28] <yonosoyyo> pinchartl: may I ask you a question?
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[20:01:36] <pinchartl> yonosoyyo: sure
[20:02:10] <yonosoyyo> pinchartl: I am trying to see how pidgin works, so I would like to see if I can send you a private message through the network
[20:02:35] <Kev> You can't send private messages in this room, it's blocked because of some abuse we used to see.
[20:03:22] <yonosoyyo> Kev, I am not saying private messages, but adding the user with his XMPP account in order to IM instead of "chat private"
[20:03:59] <pinchartl> yonosoyyo: if you want to test an XMPP client why don't you just create two test accounts ?
[20:04:33] <yonosoyyo> pinchartl: I guess I might do that, yes
[20:04:41] <yonosoyyo> pinchartl: what IM program do you use with XMPP ?
[20:05:19] <pinchartl> psi
[20:05:54] <yonosoyyo> does it have support for off-the-record secure messages?
[20:06:01] <pinchartl> nope
[20:07:10] <yonosoyyo> I guess that you have to install a plugin if you have to use psi with off-the-record encryption
[20:07:20] <yonosoyyo> neither does Pidgin support it, but it does with the plugin
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[21:58:19] <tre> test
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