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[15:23:13] <Link Mauve> Could someone cite me a few clients that support SASL anonymous? I know Gajim, poezio, but I'd like one or two more.
[15:24:59] <stpeter> I don't know of one
[15:25:07] <stpeter> but I don't use anonymous :)
[15:25:14] <stpeter> I think some of the web clients support it
[15:25:17] <Link Mauve> Me neither.
[15:25:26] <Link Mauve> Oh, and Jappix!
[15:26:13] <louiz’> yep
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[15:57:49] <Tanguy> SASL anonymous… This is the “remember, I already identified during the TLS session start”, right?
[15:58:27] <Kev> No.
[15:58:30] <Kev> That's EXTERNAL.
[15:58:40] <Kev> (Which isn't quite that, but is close)
[15:58:45] <Kev> ANONYMOUS is as it says on the tin.
[15:58:57] <Kev> "I don't have an account here, please let me log in anyway"
[15:59:52] <Tanguy> Oh, yes, of course. :-)
[16:00:54] <Tanguy> EXTERNAL is not exactly “I authenticated with other means, probably the TLS session”?
[16:01:17] <Tanguy> Of course it can be something else than TLS but it is the most used case, isn't it?
[16:08:15] <Kev> Yes, it's "Oh, I already trust you for $SOME_REASON", and that reason is likely to be an x.509 cert during TLS.
[16:08:50] <Kev> As far as my limited understanding of these things goes :)
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[17:30:14] <nn2> hi
[17:30:34] <stpeter> hello
[17:30:39] <stpeter> can we help you?
[17:30:46] <nn2> (typing :) )
[17:31:37] <stpeter> :)
[17:31:58] <nn2> constructive criticism regarding offline messages: offline message storage was a rather nice jabber feature to have - is there any (technical) reason that you disabled it? if not: could you maybe re-enable it by default?
[17:32:25] <stpeter> it's working, but it doesn't work across server restarts right now :(
[17:32:30] <nn2> we wondered why offline messages (still/again) were lost all the time
[17:32:32] <nn2> ..really?
[17:32:37] <stpeter> yes, really
[17:33:12] <nn2> found a "Store messages received while offline?" setting in a user configuration dialog - that one was unticked
[17:33:19] <stpeter> um
[17:33:23] <nn2> same for a friend's account
[17:33:31] <stpeter> what IM client are you using?
[17:33:41] <nn2> (kev already explained how to find that config dialog in psi - thanks again...)
[17:33:45] <nn2> psi/pidgin
[17:33:55] <stpeter> ok, to clarify
[17:34:20] <stpeter> at the jabber.org IM service, we store your messages offline for you, but they are lost if the server restarts
[17:34:36] <stpeter> you are talking about a different feature, which is storing a history of all the messages you've ever received
[17:34:51] <nn2> aah...
[17:35:06] <nn2> which then can be looked up if the client supports it...
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[17:35:08] <nn2> ok
[17:35:08] <stpeter> those messages can be stored on the client-side (e.g., on your laptop or whatever) or they can be stored on the server if the server supports "message history"
[17:36:35] <Kev> Almost.
[17:36:52] <Kev> nn2 is talking about offline messages, which can be enabled or disabled per user through ad-hoc commands.
[17:37:10] <Kev> (On jabber.org)
[17:37:56] <stpeter> ah
[17:39:22] <Kev> And that setting should persist across restarts, although the messages themselves won't.
[17:39:55] <nn2> the setting seems to survive restarts
[17:40:23] <Kev> We'll be upgrading jabber.org to a newer version of the software 'soon', which will include persistent offline message store.
[17:40:55] <nn2> in case i'm talking about something different: i'd just like to be able to receive messages which were sent to me while i was offline and the other way round
[17:41:05] <Kev> Yes, I understand.
[17:41:21] <nn2> (without finding out for several clients how to change that setting and telling the others to do that)
[17:41:40] <Kev> Ah.
[17:42:21] <nn2> (i took that feature for granted, sort of :) )
[17:43:48] <nn2> (it "just worked" since/when i created a jabber.org account several years ago)
[17:44:28] <Kev> It still should work - just opt-in.
[17:45:13] <nn2> mh - ok
[17:46:52] <nn2> supporting it again by default wouldn't hurt jabber/xmpp adoption though, i guess
[17:48:22] <nn2> (according to wikipedia, the other big messaging services/protocols/whatever support offline messaging - i've never used icq/msn/... though, so i don't know if it's opt-in there, too)
[17:54:01] <nn2> (and in case you don't want to make it opt-out again, could you maybe add a note on the website? that way people don't need to find out by chance that just writing to offline contacts won't work any longer)
[17:54:22] <nn2> (not that it's supposed to be reliable and so on, but nevertheless...)
[17:55:49] <Kev> Oh, the users are told when this happens.
[17:56:00] <Kev> I mean, their clients will tell them that the message won't be delivered.
[17:56:22] <nn2> doesn't happen here
[17:56:33] <Kev> Check the XML logs, sounds like a buggy client.
[17:56:38] <Kev> What're you using?
[17:56:40] <nn2> psi *cough*
[17:56:51] <Kev> Yeah, I think Psi has that bug.
[17:56:55] <nn2> (from time to time pidgin)
[17:56:59] <nn2> mmh... :(
[17:57:06] <Kev> Report it to the dev :)
[17:57:15] <nn2> heh - is psi still alive?
[17:57:26] <Kev> There's one guy still committing patches.
[17:57:51] <nn2> don't you want to continue working on it? :)
[17:58:04] <nn2> (you were one of the developers iirc?)
[17:58:04] <Kev> Nope, wanted to move on to bigger better things :)
[17:58:12] <nn2> a pity...
[17:58:56] <nn2> are there any other clients you know of which do have better jabber support than pidgin/somewhat "advanced" features?
[17:59:09] <Kev> What do you consider advanced features?
[17:59:29] <nn2> from pidgin's point of view setting priorities for example... (meh)
[17:59:39] <nn2> or writing to specific resources
[17:59:53] <Kev> Well, you shouldn't really ever need to do either of those things ;)
[18:00:47] <Kev> Gajim probably supports it, though.
[18:01:24] <nn2> in gajim you cannot disable remote controlling though as far as i know (not sure)
[18:01:36] <louiz’> writing to specific resource is possible in poezio as well
[18:01:52] <Kev> What bothers you about RC?
[18:02:23] <Link Mauve> nn2, remote controlling via dbus or via ad-hoc?
[18:02:38] <nn2> via ad-hoc commands
[18:02:55] <Kev> What bothers you about that?
[18:04:13] <nn2> hm
[18:07:51] <nn2> probably disabled it because i thought it was an unnecessary (small?) security risk
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[18:10:23] <nn2> (didn't try to find out more about remote commands back then though, so maybe it's totally pointless :) )
[18:11:28] <Kev> Well, the attack vector is that your account is compromised, or your have evil server admins.
[18:11:53] <Kev> But what these people can then do is largely equivalent to what they can do because they have your account, or are evil server admins.
[18:12:00] <Kev> Apart from turning off the sound nofits in your client, IIRC.
[18:16:39] <nn2> hm, probably
[18:18:56] <nn2> anyway - offline message storage: would be nice if you could add some news on jabber.org or re-enable it by default (preferably the latter, if there's nothing against it)
[18:20:01] <nn2> even if they are occasionally lost during restarts
[18:20:28] <nn2> (thanks :) )
[18:20:44] <Kev> I've just checked the server config.
[18:20:49] <Kev> It should be enabled by default.
[18:20:54] <Kev> Unless users have disabled it :)
[18:21:06] <nn2> hm...
[18:21:27] <nn2> also for old accounts? (before the server change)
[18:22:35] <nn2> i and a friend i asked to check if that setting is enabled registered when jabber.org still used ejabberd
[18:22:48] <nn2> so maybe it's only enabled for new, non-migrated accounts
[18:22:53] <nn2> (or so)
[18:26:23] <nn2> before the migration to m-link, that is, in case there were more...
[18:31:07] <Kev> It *should* be enabled for anyone, but I'll believe it's not.
[18:31:21] <Kev> If you can give me an account name that's never disabled it, but has it disabled, I can check.
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[18:33:17] <nn2> ok, wait a moment, i'll try
[18:42:33] <nn2> Kev: sent you one (unless private messages are disabled in here...)
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[18:56:27] <Kev> They are.
[18:56:55] <nn2> (meh - pidgin didn't complain...)
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[19:00:41] <nn2> may i know your jid/or could you just open a chat or so?
[19:01:21] <nn2> (supposing you see peoples' jids in here)
[19:03:00] <Kev> You can just throw it in a mail to kevinkismithcouk if you want.
[19:03:16] <Kev> With an @ and two . in there somewhere :)
[19:03:21] <stpeter> heh
[19:03:36] <stpeter> my contact info is at https://stpeter.im/index.php/contact/ but perhaps by "you" was meant Kev
[19:04:06] <Kev> Will, my mail address is probably plastered over the web so much by now that obsfucation's pointless anyway. kevin@kismith.co.uk
[19:07:39] <nn2> i'd have figured that out i guess :P
[19:08:47] <nn2> i'll just write it to stpeter (don't like mails...) and he can forward it, ok?
[19:08:55] <Kev> If you like :)
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[19:16:38] <nn2> (should have arrived)
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[19:28:11] <phdmj> Is there a way to connect to the jabber.org servers on the standard HTTP (80) or HTTPS (443) port for those behind a firewall?
[19:28:45] <naw> yes
[19:28:50] <naw> there is BOSH
[19:29:03] <naw> it often runs on port 5280
[19:29:12] <naw> oh, jabber.org
[19:29:27] <naw> I think that jabber.org doesn't have bosh support
[19:29:39] <phdmj> Do you know a public service that does?
[19:29:53] <phdmj> I'm trying to get IM working for my boss in his current location.
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[19:31:26] <naw> we (at jabberes.org) do have support on port 5280, and probably many ejabberd servers will have it activated
[19:32:36] <phdmj> I think only 80 and 443 are not filtered, however. That means 5280 likely will not work.
[19:32:42] <naw> oh
[19:33:06] <naw> what about http://www.jabber80.com/ ?
[19:33:48] <naw> and maybe google talk (it uses jabber) will connect with a proxy
[19:34:25] <phdmj> GTalk isn't connecting properly I was told :(. That's why I'm asking.
[19:34:43] <phdmj> jabber80 looks like that might work for now until I can set up our own private server.
[19:35:03] <phdmj> Thank you.
[19:35:38] <naw> :)
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[20:33:15] <nn2> Kev: in case you need something else (or forwarding doesn't work out...), tell me please
[20:33:48] <nn2> (i'll try and be in here the next days)
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[20:36:06] <pinchartl> hi
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[22:05:28] <pinchartl> hi
[22:06:10] <pinchartl> when a message to a gmail.com contact (from jabber.org) is answered by "Service unavailable. The server or recipient does not currently provide the requested service. status=APPLICATION_ERROR", does the status come from jabber.org or gmail.com ?
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