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[14:01:16] <swmohsin> hello, world!
[14:01:33] <Kev> Indeed.
[14:01:39] <stpeter> :)
[14:03:17] <louiz’> Hello
[14:04:26] <petermount> afternoon
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[14:39:54] <swmohsin> hey stpeter i recognize you
[14:40:35] <louiz’> nice
[14:40:42] <waqas> Most people recognize stpeter :)
[14:40:49] <louiz’> he is so famous
[14:40:54] <stpeter> haha
[14:41:17] <louiz’> /me is jealous
[14:41:37] <waqas> louiz’: I recognize you ^^
[14:41:47] <louiz’> :o !
[14:41:57] <louiz’> \ò/
[14:41:57] <Kev> Well I recognize me.
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[14:43:12] <swmohsin> you are the one of the authors of TDG
[14:43:25] <louiz’> what is TDG? :o
[14:43:37] <Kev> (XMPP: )The Definitive Guide.
[14:43:38] <swmohsin> it's XMPP The Definitive Guide book
[14:43:50] <louiz’> aah, ok. Google told me it is Tribune De Genève :(
[14:44:02] <louiz’> I have that book too \o
[14:44:13] <swmohsin> :) i am reading that book these days ... completed first 3 chapters
[14:46:42] <Kev> louiz’: Me too!
[14:47:08] <louiz’> lucky you!
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[14:47:22] <louiz’> I hope you liked it
[14:47:49] <Kev> I'm pleased it is done, and I think it was worthwhile. I won't claim to have enjoyed every moment along the way :)
[14:48:41] <louiz’> you need to rewrite a new version, and add poezio in the software list at the end!
[14:48:51] <stpeter> Kev: oh c'mon, we had so much fun! ;-)
[14:49:27] <Kev> louiz’: When or if it would be sensible to do a second edition is an interesting question. There's a new standard for XMPP
now, after all.
[14:49:32] <Kev> stpeter: Yes, on balance :)
[14:49:45] <louiz’> :)
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[15:49:58] <swmohsin> kev: u there ?
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[15:51:35] <Kev> Yes, more or less.
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[15:52:08] <swmohsin> ok ... less is more for me
[15:52:25] <swmohsin> how do i register to an xmpp server without first connecting to it ?
[15:53:03] <swmohsin> i'm using a library for iphone development and it asks for the JID when connecting to the server and establishing stream
[15:54:29] <waqas> Which library are you using? It probably has an account registration function.
[15:55:21] <swmohsin> it's http://code.google.com/p/xmppframework/
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[15:58:30] <waqas> swmohsin: A quick check doesn't show such a function, though the documentation of that library is not very detailed. However,
this specification tells you what XML to send: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0077.html
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[16:17:42] <pKs> MattJ: ping.
[16:17:53] <swmohsin> thanks waqas
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[16:22:25] <MattJ> pKs, pong
[16:25:09] <pKs> MattJ: recently we've discussed how to display forwarded messages as defined in XEP-0297 for a given client. Either you can
display them in the message window of the forwarder or of the original sender. Different use-cases would encourage different
handling of messages.
We came up with three possible solutions:
1. let the client handle it itself, no recommendation/strict handling
2. add another field to forwarded messages which would propose where to display
3. display all messages forwarded by another client with the same bare JID in tabs of the original sender, otherwise display
them with the forwarder
[16:25:53] <MattJ> Interesting
[16:26:41] <pKs> I guess there should be a new section in XEP-0297 loosing some advice or requirements on this.
[16:28:42] <swmohsin> (a bot could also be a friend—though that would be rather sad) LOL
[16:29:06] <Kev> MattJ: This sounds like what we discussed yesterday.
[16:29:12] <Kev> Or an aspect thereof.
[16:29:27] <Kev> I did push a new version with some updated text, although I don't think I asked Peter to publish it.
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[16:30:02] <pKs> Kev: has this been discussed in jdev?
[16:30:15] <Kev> pKs: No, Matt and I were discussing it directly.
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[16:31:15] <Kev> pKs: Pretty much what the appropriate UI is is dependent upon how 297's being used. If it's being used as an email forward
type system, then it should be treated much like mail clients do - present it as from the entity transmitting the stanza to
you.
[16:31:39] <Kev> If it's being used in the scope of e.g. Carbons, then first trust should be determined, and then it should be shown as if
from the sender of the original stanza.
[16:32:10] <pKs> How'd you determine trust?
[16:32:37] <Kev> The forwarding entity is the either your server or shares your bare JID, for Carbons.
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[16:32:44] <pKs> Okay.
[16:33:03] <pKs> But an application can still have multiple usecases for message forwarding.
[16:33:14] <Kev> Yes, each one may need a different UI :)
[16:33:30] <pKs> But how should the client determine which one is appropriate right now?
[16:33:44] <pKs> If it's bare JID, sure.
[16:33:56] <Kev> In which way the forward is being used - e.g. whether it's being used as a carbon or not.
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[16:34:40] <Kev> If it's a bare uninvited forward then it should be treated like an email forward. Untrusted, presented to the user as a forward.
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[16:35:03] <Kev> If it's received within the scope of another extension, like Carbons, it should be processed according to the rules of e.g.
Carbons.
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[16:37:39] <pKs> I'm not familiar with Carbons as of now. What prevents another client from just pretending he's sending a Carbon? Do Carbons
require same bare JID?
[16:38:04] <Kev> Yes, Carbons have Security Considerations that mandate you check trust in that way.
[16:38:24] <Kev> All profiles of 297 are going to need individual Security Considerations to discuss what's appropriate.
[16:38:39] <pKs> Okay, thanks.
[16:39:03] <Kev> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html#security
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[16:50:30] <pKs> Btw, you know how GTalk handles Carbons?
[16:51:07] <Kev> I wasn't aware that it did.
[16:51:26] <pKs> I guess it does. As I send messages via Adium they pop up in Google Mail.
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[17:07:02] <stpeter> /me wonders why he hears tornado sirens in the background given that it's clear as a bell outside
[17:07:23] <Kev> I know not what a tornado siren sounds like.
[17:07:43] <stpeter> consider yourself lucky
[17:08:07] <stpeter> granted, we've had some wild storms lately, but nothing is threatening right now
[17:08:20] <stpeter> bbiaf
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