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[06:03:44] <lemur> it seems that the chat conference has been somehow hijacked
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[13:52:22] <buchanan37424> Hi, since a while, I can't contact any jabber.org-Members via my jabber-account (which is form another jabber-server), always get "404 Remote server not found".
[13:52:37] <buchanan37424> Is this a problem of my provider or of jabber.org?
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[14:00:54] <akuckartz@jabber.ccc.de> Maybe a DNS server problem ?
[14:06:01] <buchanan37424> got the same error at home and in work
[14:06:48] <buchanan37424> so I'm pretty sure it's another DNS-server.
[14:07:43] <akuckartz@jabber.ccc.de> Your XMPP server will use its own DNS server(s)
[14:07:55] <akuckartz@jabber.ccc.de> Which likely will be the same in both situations
[14:08:50] <buchanan37424> ah, ok sounds possible – going to contact my provider and ask them to check there DNS
[14:09:10] <buchanan37424> thanks! but I have to leaf now. by
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[19:20:47] <Farid.alibrahim> Hi
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[20:54:38] <garfield19515> hi
[20:54:54] <stpeter> hi
[20:54:55] <garfield19515> I have a question about ssl and jabber.
[20:54:58] <stpeter> how can we help you?
[20:55:01] <stpeter> ok
[20:55:21] <garfield19515> Let's say I have a jabber.org id and start chatting with a friend that has a google talk id.
[20:56:01] <garfield19515> I would like to know if the following is true (thats how I imagine the message flow):
[20:56:53] <garfield19515> My client starts a ssl session with the jabber.org node. the jabber.org node then starts a ssl session with the google talk node and the google talk node then starts a third ssl session with my buddies client?
[20:57:07] <stpeter> yes
[20:57:10] <Kev> No.
[20:57:15] <garfield19515> haha
[20:57:16] <stpeter> haha
[20:57:18] <stpeter> well
[20:57:20] <stpeter> ideally, yes
[20:57:30] <Kev> Your client starts an ssl session with jabber.org, jabber.org ssl with gtalk.
[20:57:38] <stpeter> however, in general we don't do ssl between jabber.org with gmail.com
[20:57:41] <Kev> But it's your contacts client that starts the session to gtalk, not gtalk to your contact.
[20:57:47] <Kev> stpeter: Do we not?
[20:58:02] <stpeter> Kev: well, I
[20:58:11] <stpeter> I'll need to do some diagnostics :)
[20:58:17] <Kev> We may well not, but I hadn't realised :)
[20:58:31] <stpeter> my impression was that they're not enforcing SSL and just doing dialback
[20:58:33] <stpeter> perhaps I'm wrong
[20:58:38] <Kev> Oh, but that's different.
[20:58:54] <Kev> It's still SSL even if you use dialback.
[20:59:04] <Kev> And dialback's an alternative verification for the SSL cert :)
[20:59:21] <Kev> (Just not an arguably very good one)
[20:59:28] <stpeter> /me nods
[20:59:54] <garfield19515> What if the home-node of my buddy does not support ssl? Or his client? Then just the part of the connection from my client to my node is encrypted?
[21:00:03] <Kev> In fact there's an argument (fippo's, I think, although I have a feeling Dave agrees) that doing Dialback + TLS verification is preferable to SASL EXTERNAL.
[21:00:10] <Kev> garfield19515: Correct.
[21:07:42] <garfield19515> So I would need to know if his client and his node support ssl in order to be able to make an educated guess about the encryption of the whole message transport...
[21:07:59] <stpeter> garfield19515: in general, all servers, and almost all clients, support SSL/TLS
[21:08:10] <garfield19515> ok
[21:08:36] <stpeter> Kev: I still would like to push for SSL/TLS-only connections at jabber.org :)
[21:08:57] <Kev> Although if it's something really confidential, you might want to consider some sort of end to end encryption.
[21:09:16] <stpeter> garfield19515: for instance, at jabber.org we've support SSL/TLS since 1999, but we don't force all clients to use it
[21:09:27] <Kev> stpeter: C2S or S2S?
[21:09:31] <stpeter> C2s
[21:09:40] <Kev> We can force SCRAM-SHA-1-PLUS only if you like :)
[21:09:56] <stpeter> it's too early for forcing TLS on s2s links, IMHO
[21:10:00] <stpeter> Kev: :P
[21:10:04] <Kev> I was a little surprised, yes.
[21:10:31] <stpeter> garfield19515: what IM client do you use?
[21:10:51] <Kev> We could do a secure communications week.
[21:10:58] <garfield19515> xabber
[21:11:03] <garfield19515> android client
[21:12:23] <stpeter> Kev: we could make up for our failures on World IPv6 Day by initiating Secure Communications Week :)
[21:15:15] <stpeter> but in fact I would like to go all TLS all the time
[21:15:25] <Kev> I'm not opposed to this.
[21:15:28] <stpeter> (by "TLS" I mean STARTTLS or old-style SSL)
[21:15:42] <Kev> I'm not sure whether we have the facility to do this, I think we probably do.
[21:15:49] <stpeter> (eventually it would be nice to turn off old-style SSL too)
[21:15:59] <stpeter> Kev: doesn't have to happen tomorrow :)
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[21:16:18] <garfield19515> stpeter, Kev: thanks a lot for your answers
[21:16:23] <Kev> Might be nice to have the 15.0 migration done first.
[21:16:29] <Kev> garfield19515: You're welcome.
[21:16:30] <stpeter> garfield19515: we're here for you
[21:16:33] <Kev> We Y! to please.
[21:16:37] <garfield19515> good to know :)
[21:16:38] <Kev> Wait, I got that wrong.
[21:16:44] <stpeter> garfield19515: feel free to ask more questions
[21:17:02] <garfield19515> thanks
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[21:17:54] <Kev> Secure communication week with TLS requirement on S2S might be fun this year, and then next year require validated certs.
[21:17:55] <stpeter> yahoo, we aim to please! if you don't use jabber you don't know what you're msn...
[21:17:59] <stpeter> heh
[21:18:04] <stpeter> that would be interesting :)
[21:18:25] <Kev> But as even my server would fail that... :)
[21:18:38] <Kev> (Valid but expired)
[21:18:47] <stpeter> /me nods
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