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[17:02:41] <32dll@jabber.org> Hi
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[19:15:03] <UMP45> Hi
[19:23:24] <HedgeMage> hello
[19:23:28] <HedgeMage> Need help?
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[20:12:50] <lahestani> Why can't a client just hide the protocol most of the time but still offer advanced functions
[20:14:00] <Link Mauve> Did your client ever asked you to type XML?
[20:14:29] <lahestani> actually yes
[20:14:40] <lahestani> I'm pretty sure you can guess my client
[20:14:42] <lahestani> lol
[20:14:53] <Link Mauve> Psi, but to do what?
[20:15:01] <lahestani> muc bookmarking
[20:15:13] <lahestani> it is the only way
[20:15:18] <Link Mauve> Huh?
[20:15:27] <Link Mauve> Make a bug report, in that case.
[20:15:28] <lahestani> well the only way that I know
[20:16:45] <lahestani> I think because Psi developers are too lazy to just let me save muc's so they appear on my roster
[20:17:13] <Neustradamus> lahestani: Psi+ ?
[20:17:26] <lahestani> Psi+ is weak and I don't like it
[20:17:46] <Neustradamus> you can see Swift :D
[20:17:48] <lahestani> all they did was f up the UI with crude, inelegant hacks
[20:17:58] <lahestani> amateurs
[20:18:03] <lahestani> I'll check this Swift
[20:18:10] <Neustradamus> swift.im
[20:18:43] <lahestani> I use Pidgin for other stuff but when I want pure jabber, well, it's just no pure enough
[20:19:02] <lahestani> Psi is the creme de la creme of xmpp goodness
[20:19:17] <Neustradamus> after you are Gajim, gajim.org
[20:19:41] <Link Mauve> Will you list every XMPP-only client, Neustradamus?
[20:19:53] <lahestani> yeah gajim is formidable, but somehow it rubs me the wrong way sometimes
[20:19:54] <Neustradamus> :D
[20:20:12] <lahestani> Psi just feels solid
[20:20:17] <Neustradamus> Tkabber after :D
[20:20:21] <lahestani> haha
[20:20:25] <lahestani> or cabber
[20:20:50] <Neustradamus> Poezio / mcabber but it is different
[20:20:57] <lahestani> it's sad that the most elegant text console solution for jabber is bitlbee
[20:21:26] <Neustradamus> you dislike Poezio ?
[20:21:33] <lahestani> never tried it
[20:21:41] <lahestani> looks like they copy and pasted irssi code
[20:21:45] <Neustradamus> you must !
[20:22:21] <Neustradamus> poezio.eu
[20:22:29] <louiz’> not the code, but the interface is inspired from weechat.
[20:23:08] <lahestani> nice
[20:23:14] <lahestani> see I'm so experienced with software that when I use a program I can see into its very soul.. that's how I can determine the quality of programs
[20:23:48] <louiz’> you might not like poezio if you’re looking for a stable and featureful client.
[20:23:59] <MattJ> Does poezio have a good soul?
[20:24:03] <louiz’> yes
[20:24:06] <Link Mauve> The only program I know with a soul is toto.
[20:24:12] <louiz’> its good is kinda GOOD
[20:24:19] <Link Mauve> Every other has a fake soul.
[20:24:26] <louiz’> indeed
[20:24:29] <lahestani> haven't used poezio yet so I can't comment
[20:24:36] <louiz’> ok
[20:24:45] <lahestani> impossible to tell by looking at screenshots
[20:24:51] <lahestani> but you could just tell me what language it's written in
[20:24:51] <louiz’> its *SOUL* is kinda GOOD
[20:24:57] <louiz’> I’m just warning you ;)
[20:25:00] <louiz’> python
[20:25:01] <lahestani> hehe
[20:25:05] <louiz’> python3
[20:25:11] <lahestani> hmm interesting choice
[20:25:26] <lahestani> then I'd say poezio's soul is somewhat akin to gajim's
[20:25:59] <lahestani> you kind of have to spend a lot of time with a program to know what it's like, to understand its quirks
[20:26:16] <lahestani> although obviously there are certain characteristics that programs written in a certain language or library share
[20:26:49] <lahestani> I'm sad to say *most* xmpp clients I've tried over the years are quit flimsy and frivolous programs
[20:26:57] <lahestani> I didn't feel confident in them at all
[20:29:06] <lahestani> so what do ya'll think of yandex
[20:31:30] <louiz’> don’t know
[20:32:01] <lahestani> hmm
[20:32:08] <lahestani> Swift has this characteristic "Easy room joining and bookmarking"
[20:32:10] <lahestani> nice
[20:32:26] <lahestani> oh Kevin Smith is working on it
[20:32:32] <lahestani> well it must be good then
[20:32:48] <louiz’> yes, swift is amaing the non-power users, so the basic features must be the most easy to use.
[20:33:09] <lahestani> the only downside is that I am a power user
[20:33:15] <louiz’> :(
[20:33:19] <lahestani> lol
[20:33:24] <lahestani> but I'm not against ease of use
[20:33:45] <lahestani> most of the time I prefer simple UI's over complex ones
[20:33:52] <Neustradamus> lahestani: yes old developers of Psi are now on Swift
[20:34:09] <lahestani> did they give up on Psi?
[20:37:04] <lahestani> hmm swift.im is running its own xmpp server
[20:37:47] <Link Mauve> No, M-Link.
[20:37:59] <lahestani> what is m-link
[20:38:08] <louiz’> a server
[20:38:10] <Link Mauve> A proprietary server.
[20:38:17] <MattJ> It's still an XMPP server :)
[20:38:22] <lahestani> uhh yeah
[20:38:24] <lahestani> >_>
[20:38:40] <lahestani> Matt's always there when you need him
[20:39:59] <lahestani> Is this Swift program using QT
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[21:11:00] <Kev> lahestani: Yes, Swift uses Qt, although only for the UI.
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[21:24:25] <lahestani> Kev: intersting
[21:24:37] <lahestani> I remember that Psi used QT libraries for example to do ssl
[21:33:20] <lahestani> not that ssl is good for anything anymore
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[22:10:32] <lahestani> wow jabber.ru has full conferences compared to jabber.org
[22:10:56] <louiz’> indeed
[22:11:03] <louiz’> sadely, they are russians :(
[22:11:30] <lahestani> lol
[22:11:38] <lahestani> seems to be a boatload of persians
[22:11:46] <lahestani> there has to be english speakers somewhere on there
[22:13:21] <louiz’> yes, sometimes
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