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[03:32:25] <darkrain> Can someone sanity check http://pastebin.com/B6vPeype for me? M-Link doesn't support item retrieval?
[03:32:33] <darkrain> (Kev, dwd: ^)
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[14:10:12] <loxs@loxs.org> folks is there any opensource client for android?
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[14:12:17] <MattJ> http://www.google.co.uk/?q=open-source+xmpp+client+for+android might be a good start :)
[14:12:34] <Zash> and http://xmpp.org/xmpp-software/clients/
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[14:14:13] <Zash> tho it doesn't say clearly which runs on android
[14:14:23] <Zash> just "mobile" (:
[14:15:56] <loxs@loxs.org> MattJ: I asked google before here, but my question was more like "is there anything worth the time spend trying it"
[14:16:39] <Zash> can you use any xmpp account with the gtalk client on android, or just gtalk accts?
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[14:18:19] <MattJ> Zash, just Google accounts
[14:18:21] <MattJ> Sadly
[14:18:37] <Kev> Someone should get Swift running there :)
[14:18:43] <Hermitifier> loxs@loxs.org: Have you looked at jabbim?
[14:19:07] <Kev> Oh, there's a Jabbim port for Android?
[14:19:16] <Hermitifier> Yes, dedicated.
[14:19:24] <loxs@loxs.org> Hermitifier: as far as I can see last news is from a year ago
[14:19:33] <Kev> Oh, I didn't realise, I thought it was Python/Qt.
[14:19:59] <Zash> Kev: Mmmmm.. Java
[14:20:10] <Kev> Zash: I know *some* native code can be run.
[14:20:18] <Zash> Kev: But GUI stuff?
[14:20:46] <Zash> Kev: You'll probably be able to use swiften & co, but I'd suspect not Qt
[14:20:51] <Kev> And Swift is designed for the UI to be swappable, so in theory if the core logic compiles and runs ok, you could implement the UI (C++) interface with something mangling Java.
[14:21:22] <Kev> Zash: Right, but Swift doesn't depend on Qt - one of the (the only public) UIs is written in Qt, but they're swappable.
[14:22:37] <Zash> Kev: Yeah. But someone will probably have to write some java gui code
[14:22:44] <Kev> Right.
[14:22:45] <Zash> still
[14:22:50] <Kev> Which is probably easier than writing a client.
[14:23:05] <Kev> Or one could port the Swift logic and use Stroke as the library, I guess.
[14:23:11] <Kev> When we get around to releasing that.
[14:23:13] <Zash> Stroke?
[14:23:22] <Kev> Right, a gentle alternative to Smack :)
[14:23:32] <Kev> It's a Swiften port for Java.
[14:26:48] <Zash> MattJ: Speaking about "get[ing] around to releasing that", verse ;)
[14:27:05] <MattJ> After SASL
[14:27:16] <Zash> \o/
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[17:54:58] <stpeter> /me starts working on an I-D for OTRv2
[17:55:19] <MattJ> With the assistance of the OTRv1 folks?
[17:55:32] <stpeter> with the assistance of the OTRv2 folks
[17:55:41] <stpeter> possibly we'll work on OTRv3 after that :)
[17:55:54] <stpeter> v3 would be the more xmpp-friendly approach
[17:56:02] <stpeter> but step one is to document v2
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[17:56:19] <stpeter> right now I'm just copying http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/Protocol-v2-3.1.0.html into I-D format
[17:56:41] <MattJ> Aha
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[18:01:35] <deryni> Is v2 different than what's in the current set of plugins?
[18:06:01] <stpeter> no
[18:06:09] <stpeter> v2 is what's deployed today, as I understand it
[18:06:41] <deryni> Ok.
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[18:17:43] <stpeter> unfortunately, subscripts and superscripts don't really work in the old ASCII RFC format ;-)
[18:19:30] <Tobias> stpeter, in what way to most people author RFCs nowadays? some XML format?
[18:20:00] <louiz’> I think words are missing
[18:20:15] <Tobias> *do
[18:21:12] <louiz’> aaah, and “author” is a verb?
[18:22:02] <Tobias> according to my dictionary, it is
[18:22:24] <louiz’> ok, didn’t know that. First time I see it used that way
[18:24:22] <Kev> It certainly is.
[18:26:16] <louiz’> I believe you :)
[18:29:29] <stpeter> Tobias: I use the xml format described in RFC 2629 -- there are various tools at http://xml.resource.org/ (commonly called "xml2rfc")
[18:29:50] <stpeter> probably 70% of the RFCs are authored using those tools
[18:30:05] <Tobias> ah..ok.thx
[18:30:49] <stpeter> /me likes how in English we can turn just about any noun into a verb, and vice-versa
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[23:01:43] <Zash> you can turn nouns into verbs?
[23:02:32] <darkrain_> We verb nouns, yes.
[23:03:25] <Zash> but how
[23:03:28] <louiz’> A noun can verb, as well
[23:04:54] <Zash> In Swedish, you can append "a" to almost any word to make it a verb, but in English?
[23:05:13] <MattJ> Don't bother
[23:05:33] <MattJ> Just write whatever comes into your head, and leave it to the other person to figure out
[23:05:53] <darkrain_> Zash: Oh, you just use it where you'd use a verb
[23:06:00] <darkrain_> English doesn't have these fancy "rules" ;)
[23:06:16] <Zash> oh
[23:06:17] <Zash> right
[23:06:52] <louiz’> 01:07:05 MattJ> Just write whatever comes into your head, and leave it to the other person to figure out I laughed because that’s so true :(
[23:10:28] <Zash> One day, maybe we'll be able to transmit thougts directly
[23:12:35] <louiz’> Or speak esperanto :o
[23:15:42] <darkrain_> lojban.
[23:16:34] <louiz’> nope :o
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