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[01:02:36] <saly> hi
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[02:00:20] <anonymous43897> hello anyon here?
[02:00:41] <HedgeMage> Just ask your question...we're here :)
[02:00:53] <HedgeMage> Be prepared to idle a bit, this is a slow-moving chat most of the time.
[02:01:32] <anonymous43897> yeah,I want to know which chient is purely support jabber,not xmpp. Thank you!
[02:02:33] <HedgeMage> Jabber is just another name for XMPP. They are the same thing.
[02:02:42] <anonymous43897> because i found the current client all use the xmpp.But I want to download one software purely support jabber.
[02:03:18] <HedgeMage> Jabber *is* XMPP.
[02:04:16] <anonymous43897> I noticed that jabber earlier than the XMPP appear.
[02:04:38] <anonymous43897> I guess the xmpp is the jabber's latest version ?
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[02:06:40] <HedgeMage> Jabber is a less-formal name for XMPP. Jabber was once more commonly used than XMPP, but now both names are equally common.
[02:06:41] <anonymous43897> so i want to know when the jabber just appeared ,the version of these client?
[02:08:53] <anonymous43897> i use the wireshark to capture the packet between client.I found that the xmpp's client use the xml:lang=en to markup language format
[02:09:41] <darkrain> Not all clients specify that, but that's an XML idiom which could probably be used in a pre-XMPP implementation as well
[02:11:09] <anonymous43897> that is to say,when analyse the XMPP and jabber different periods of packets, it is can differs
[02:12:23] <darkrain> XMPP is the standardized evolution of Jabber. Why exactly are you looking for a "Jabber-only" client?
[02:13:04] <darkrain> For example, you could dig up a pre-2004 edition of libpurple in order to get the "Jabber" plugin, but, well, I'm not sure I see the utility.
[02:15:11] <darkrain> Pidgin can still connect to Jabber servers which don't support some of the features added in the XMPP specifications. I expect most other XMPP clients can as well.
[02:16:05] <anonymous43897> because the customer require me to analyse the jabber-only client and xmpp-only client.
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[02:18:44] <darkrain> I would take that back to them and explain that XMPP is simply an evolution and standardization of Jabber, and that there really aren't "Jabber-only" clients these days.
[02:33:25] <anonymous43897> thank you for your advice.Can you give me a more detailed how to configure pidgin support jabber?
[02:33:38] <darkrain> You choose the 'XMPP' option.
[02:35:51] <anonymous43897> if i choose the xmpp option,pidgin support xmpp-only?not jabber only?
[02:36:47] <darkrain> It supports connecting to servers which are both compliant with the XMPP RFCs, as well as servers which predate the RFCs
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[08:22:46] <grant16212> is conference.jabber.org not always available?
[08:23:16] <grant16212> short outage? now it is up again..
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[08:26:28] <grant16212> where can I find official announcements of maintenance checks/upgrades of conference.jabber.org?
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[09:06:52] <Kev> grant16212: We usually announce them on jabberdotorg on identi.ca, although this morning's I just fixed when I noticed it, rather than announcing it.
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[09:32:52] <grant16212> ok thanks
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[11:11:01] <Neustradamus> There is an Open Discussion Day this year ? http://opendiscussionday.org/
[11:15:56] <naw> I guess that we should plan something
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[11:17:54] <jefferson33959> hi guys
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[11:19:44] <naw> hello
[11:24:22] <kryl0n> anyone know why i just keep getting 'connecting' when trying to connect to jabber.org through adium? It's fine with jabber.cz
[11:24:25] <kryl0n> any ideas?
[11:24:31] <Kev> Right now?
[11:24:52] <Kev> It's working fine for me.
[11:25:26] <kryl0n> been like that all day for me
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[11:27:31] <kryl0n> don't really know what to try
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[11:41:04] <Neustradamus> May 19, 2011 : Open Discussion Day, more news soon !
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[11:49:04] <naw> http://opendiscussionday.org/list_of_jabber_clients <- this needs information about iphone and android clients
[11:56:22] <Neustradamus> naw: yes I know, I will see with the "master" of the website.
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[11:57:05] <naw> MattJ set up that website and I just have done some edits
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[12:05:00] <naw> I'm thinking on adding palringo and trillian
[12:05:34] <naw> for android and iphone
[12:05:50] <Neustradamus> a lot of clients...
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[13:23:14] <saw.ing2011> /me
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[14:31:24] <Neustradamus> http://opendiscussionday.org/ May 19, 2011 ! Can you share it...
[14:33:01] <Lastwebpage> may I ask why is Pidgin in the list?
[14:33:48] <Lastwebpage> or Adium?
[14:34:11] <Lastwebpage> or kopete?
[14:34:12] <Neustradamus> :D
[14:34:17] <Lastwebpage> Or... ?
[14:34:21] <Neustradamus> it is not me who added this...
[14:35:37] <Neustradamus> Pidgin or Adium are XMPP clients...
[14:35:45] <Lastwebpage> no
[14:35:52] <Neustradamus> not only
[14:36:21] <Lastwebpage> they are Multiprotocol clients, and in this case where is Trilian or Miranda?
[14:37:10] <Neustradamus> trillian it is on I think
[14:37:17] <Neustradamus> Miranda, I am not sure
[14:37:43] <Lastwebpage> I use it and I am here with Miranda ;)
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[14:38:31] <Neustradamus> Lastwebpage: I know...
[14:39:02] <Neustradamus> it is a wiki, you can contribute ;)
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[14:53:29] <Lastwebpage> I waiting for login email :|
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[15:09:17] <Neustradamus> Lastwebpage: ok !
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[15:27:55] <cheney22335> A chat room we've used regularly now gets an error "Chat can’t connect to the chat room “moderators@conference.jabber.org”."
[15:28:05] <cheney22335> what's up? Anybody know?
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[17:10:31] <naw> [16:53:29] <Lastwebpage> I waiting for login email :| <- ping MattJ about that, meantime, I can do some edits for you
[17:10:38] <naw> *in the meantime
[17:10:47] <MattJ> For opendiscussionday.org?
[17:10:53] <Lastwebpage> still waiting, hmmmh
[17:11:19] <Lastwebpage> MattJ can do this on his own ;)
[17:11:44] <MattJ> I can send you an email, but probably not the one you're waiting for :)
[17:12:22] <naw> MattJ: weren't you the admin of opendiscusionday?
[17:12:24] <Lastwebpage> I want only add Miranda-IM or Trillian to the list of Jabber clients
[17:12:35] <Lastwebpage> ermm AND
[17:12:45] <MattJ> naw, I was an admin on the wiki, but it's not my server or domain
[17:12:50] <naw> oh
[17:13:32] <MattJ> You want to poke eightyeight in #jabber on Freenode
[17:17:52] <naw> Lastwebpage: I added them for you, http://opendiscussionday.org/list_of_jabber_clients
[17:18:01] <naw> check that the data is correct
[17:18:28] <Lastwebpage> nice
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[17:24:12] <asandiyudo> can't found jabber client for blackberry on that list
[17:24:49] <Lastwebpage> ???
[17:24:57] <naw> there is a couple of them on that list
[17:25:15] <naw> trillian, palringo and im+
[17:25:16] <asandiyudo> i mean free :) which is works on 9700
[17:25:35] <naw> I heard that im+ is free
[17:25:43] <asandiyudo> ad-based
[17:25:46] <naw> despite in the site it seems to be shareware
[17:25:49] <naw> oh
[17:26:24] <asandiyudo> i used beejive which is nice, not too expensive, but still not free :)
[17:27:17] <naw> well, take a look to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_clients#Operating_system_support there is a list of blackberry clients, and then look which ones are free and support jabber. and tell us back to add themto the list ;)
[17:29:32] <asandiyudo> not found which is completely jabber client :)
[17:30:04] <naw> maybe eqo, it's multiprotocol
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[17:30:48] <asandiyudo> hm.. never heard that before, let me try it first
[17:31:48] <asandiyudo> sounds like nimbuz
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[17:32:26] <naw> does nimbuzz support jabber/xmpp? or it just support google talk
[17:33:02] <asandiyudo> no jabber in nimbuzz
[17:33:10] <asandiyudo> gtalk yes
[17:33:36] <naw> there is mundu, but it's not free 11$
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[17:34:27] <naw> :S palringo has discontinued their blackberry version
[17:34:55] <asandiyudo> yes they did
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[17:35:19] <naw> what about meebo http://www.meebo.com/blackberry/ ?
[17:36:09] <asandiyudo> i tried that, it works, but sometimes it can show u false status, perhaps too many people use meebo :)
[17:38:23] <asandiyudo> for an example, i put their contact widget, and then i'm online through blackberry, the status on the widget can be offline, even i put online status in blackberry
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[17:38:47] <cleveland5112> hello
[17:39:16] <asandiyudo> what's up
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[17:39:28] <cleveland5112> does anyone know what security method to use when configuring a office communicator xmpp server
[17:39:51] <MattJ> What are the options?
[17:39:52] <cleveland5112> to communicate with jabber.org
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[17:40:09] <cleveland5112> tcp dialback
[17:40:22] <cleveland5112> tls dialback
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[17:40:28] <cleveland5112> tls digest
[17:40:39] <cleveland5112> and tls certificate
[17:40:47] <asandiyudo> any docs about those dialback?
[17:41:03] <MattJ> I'm not sure what TLS digest is meant to be, but any of the others should work - TLS certificate being the most secure
[17:41:16] <MattJ> asandiyudo, http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0220.html
[17:41:53] <naw> asandiyudo: maybe http://www.instango.com/ ?
[17:42:01] <MattJ> cleveland5112, some servers don't support TLS certificate yet though, and some have invalid or self-signed certificates - in this case you would want to choose TLS + dialback to talk to them
[17:42:24] <cleveland5112> let me see if I can find one
[17:42:54] <cleveland5112> Jabber Server supports both SASL and Dialback, so the following configuration works fine with the Jabber server. Currently, GTalk supports TCP DIALBACK. GTALK does not require Certificate, User Name and Password, they are optional.
[17:43:04] <asandiyudo> instango not works in 9700
[17:43:08] <cleveland5112> thats right out of the OCS xmpp manual
[17:43:55] <MattJ> cleveland5112, sure
[17:44:05] <cleveland5112> huh?
[17:44:16] <MattJ> What?
[17:44:40] <asandiyudo> lol.. someone is confusing
[17:44:46] <MattJ> Possibly
[17:44:58] <cleveland5112> it may be me. I've been at this for three days
[17:46:13] <asandiyudo> can someone explain in human word about dialback, i'm new with this
[17:46:17] <cleveland5112> MS support wants to know
[17:46:29] <cleveland5112> if tls or tcp dialback will work.
[17:46:49] <MattJ> cleveland5112, yes
[17:46:52] <Kev> jabber.org will work fine with TLS or dialback.
[17:47:23] <MattJ> asandiyudo, it's a mechanism used by a server to verify another server's identity
[17:47:41] <MattJ> asandiyudo, so that you can't set up a server that tells everyone it is jabber.org
[17:48:24] <asandiyudo> i see, how can you confirm that a server support dialback or not?
[17:48:54] <cleveland5112> Im not sure what is happening
[17:49:04] <cleveland5112> both Gtalk and jabber.org
[17:49:30] <MattJ> asandiyudo, they basically all do
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[17:49:48] <cleveland5112> I can't connect to either server
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[17:49:55] <Kev> cleveland5112: What is your server?
[17:50:06] <cleveland5112> xmpp.mitre.org
[17:50:50] <cleveland5112> srv records are set fine
[17:51:03] <Kev> SRV records aren't set at all :)
[17:51:16] <Kev> Oh
[17:51:20] <Kev> I'm just being stupid, sorry.
[17:51:27] <MattJ> I don't see them
[17:51:36] <Kev> Nope, even remembering -t srv I still don't see them.
[17:51:37] <MattJ> Oh, they're for mitre.org
[17:51:44] <Kev> Ah.
[17:51:45] <MattJ> Not xmpp.mitre.org
[17:51:52] <cleveland5112> yes
[17:51:57] <cleveland5112> sorry
[17:52:12] <MattJ> $ telnet xmpp.mitre.org 5269 Trying 198.49.146.140... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[17:52:23] <Kev> MattJ: That worked for me a moment ago.
[17:52:31] <MattJ> Fun
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[17:52:47] <asandiyudo> Kev: could you check also for mayplaces.com srv
[17:52:47] <Kev> sigsegv:~/tmp/> telnet xmpp.mitre.org 5269 6:51pm Trying 198.49.146.140... Connected to xmpp.mitre.org. Escape character is '^]'.
[17:53:06] <cleveland5112> are you behind a firewall
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[17:53:10] <MattJ> No :)
[17:53:29] <Kev> asandiyudo: Also seems to be missing.
[17:53:56] <cleveland5112> when I try from outside it works fine
[17:54:02] <asandiyudo> kev: really, which part is missing?
[17:54:31] <Kev> asandiyudo: The SRV records.
[17:54:31] <cleveland5112> so kev can connect but mattj cannot?
[17:54:40] <Kev> cleveland5112: Only with telnet, I've not tried s2s.
[17:54:41] <MattJ> No, I can connect now
[17:55:12] <MattJ> No idea why it refused the connection before
[17:55:14] <cleveland5112> okay great.
[17:55:35] <cleveland5112> oh because I was restarting the services
[17:55:38] <cleveland5112> sorry
[17:55:40] <Kev> sigsegv:~/tmp/> telnet xmpp.mitre.org 5269 6:54pm Trying 198.49.146.140... Connected to xmpp.mitre.org. Escape character is '^]'. <stream:stream to='mitre.org' xmlns='jabber:server' xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams' version='1.0'> <stream:stream xmlns='jabber:server' xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams' from='mitre.org' to='' version='1.0' id=''><stream:features><dialback xmlns='urn:xmpp:features:dialback'/><starttls xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-tls'/></stream:features>
[17:55:41] <MattJ> Heh, ok
[17:56:00] <Kev> So it does seem to be vaguely XMPPish.
[17:56:08] <MattJ> Vaguely...
[17:56:19] <cleveland5112> what do you mean?
[17:56:36] <cleveland5112> oh boy that doesnt sound good.
[17:56:44] <MattJ> The id attribute is empty and the dialback xmlns should be up in the stream header
[17:57:03] <MattJ> It'll probably still work :)
[17:57:18] <naw> asandiyudo: Kev I see srv records for mayplaces.com
[17:57:18] <asandiyudo> kev: what about mine?
[17:57:22] <MattJ> It's the other brokenness with OCS's XMPP gateway you have to watch out for, unless they've imprived it since last year
[17:57:25] <cleveland5112> maybe I can make a change on my end?? set it to TCP dialback or are we past the verification part
[17:57:37] <MattJ> cleveland5112, I'm just looking at my server logs
[17:57:46] <naw> _xmpp-client._tcp.mayplaces.com has SRV record 0 0 5222 mayplaces.com. _xmpp-server._tcp.mayplaces.com has SRV record 0 0 5269 mayplaces.com.
[17:57:49] <cleveland5112> okay. I really appreicate your help
[17:57:53] <asandiyudo> naw: yes, as i remember the srv was already there
[17:58:15] <Kev> Ah, yes, I seem them now :)
[17:58:50] <cleveland5112> so you can see my server connecting to you??
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[18:00:50] <MattJ> Ok, so it just kills the connection after a stream header from Prosody...
[18:01:05] <MattJ> sigh
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[18:01:21] <asandiyudo> anyway, no chicks in this room :)
[18:01:32] <cleveland5112> right
[18:02:15] <cleveland5112> I'm at a loss right now trying to troubleshoot my issue.
[18:02:27] <asandiyudo> i only see a man in participant lists
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[18:03:33] <MattJ> Ok, it seems it doesn't like a 'from' attribute on stream headers
[18:03:40] <MattJ> which is required...
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[18:07:51] <cleveland5112> Matt are you talking to me?
[18:08:34] <MattJ> Partly, partly to myself :)
[18:08:55] <cleveland5112> okay I wonder how I can change that
[18:09:09] <cleveland5112> meaning the from on the stream header
[18:09:22] <cleveland5112> not you talking to yourself...
[18:09:30] <MattJ> Heh
[18:09:38] <MattJ> You've selected dialback now?
[18:09:58] <cleveland5112> let me set it back to tcp dialback, right now its set to tls dialback
[18:10:05] <MattJ> Ok
[18:10:49] <cleveland5112> service is starting
[18:11:08] <cleveland5112> started
[18:11:39] <MattJ> Nope, still closes the connection :(
[18:13:06] <cleveland5112> Any ideas? I've read a lot about people getting their OCS xmpp servers working
[18:13:20] <cleveland5112> with jabber and gtalk
[18:14:06] <MattJ> No idea, sorry
[18:14:16] <MattJ> I know people do get them working, but I've not seen this issue before
[18:14:44] <cleveland5112> doesnt give a reason for the connection being closed??
[18:14:51] <MattJ> The last person I helped found a really silly bug, and I had to patch my server just to get OCS to work with it
[18:15:04] <MattJ> No, it just silently closes the connection without giving an error
[18:15:13] <cleveland5112> oh boy
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[18:15:32] <cleveland5112> MS is at a loss, I am, and now you guys...
[18:15:44] <cleveland5112> Google wont call back cuz they're google
[18:16:02] <Kev> I can try getting telemetry out of my server later, but I'm AFK right now.
[18:16:14] <MattJ> cleveland5112, I would love to work with the MS developers in solving all their XMPP interop issues
[18:16:25] <MattJ> cleveland5112, but they don't really interact with the XMPP community, so...
[18:16:33] <cleveland5112> okay
[18:16:42] <Kev> I have reason to believe that they are working on improving interop.
[18:17:01] <Kev> Anyway, AFK, be back in a bit.
[18:17:11] <cleveland5112> okay. Wonder why google is closing connections as well
[18:17:14] <MattJ> Kev, I'll believe it when I see it :)
[18:17:42] <MattJ> cleveland5112, Google works just fine for me
[18:18:10] <MattJ> if Google is being compliant and also sending the 'from' in the stream header, it's probably OCS closing the connection, same issue
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[18:34:05] <cleveland5112> Mattj did you ever have your domain registered to google apps
[18:34:17] <MattJ> No
[18:34:48] <cleveland5112> ours is and I read that you have to disable the chat feature or else federation will not work between domains
[18:34:55] <MattJ> Correct
[18:35:07] <MattJ> But that's not the problem between your server and mine
[18:35:16] <cleveland5112> MS says I am seeing two different problems between us and google and us and jabber
[18:35:17] <asandiyudo> cleveland5112: how to do that?
[18:35:20] <MattJ> That would affect communication between your server and Google though
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[18:36:24] <MattJ> asandiyudo, in the Google Apps dashboard
[18:37:03] <asandiyudo> MattJ, link?
[18:38:19] <MattJ> asandiyudo, wherever you usually log in to manage your domain in Google Apps
[18:39:34] <asandiyudo> ah ok
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[18:41:25] <cleveland5112> Sorry asandiyudo
[18:42:20] <cleveland5112> .•ÇúdÖÛC¸g7=P..kB...<stream:error><undefined-condition xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams"/><str:text xmlns:str="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams">mitre.org is a Google Apps Domain with Talk service enabled.</str:text></stream:error></stream:stream>
[18:42:35] <cleveland5112> this is what google servers are sending back to us
[18:43:00] <naw> asandiyudo: did you found a good client for blackberry?
[18:43:01] <MattJ> Right, so disable chat for your domain in Google Apps
[18:43:25] <asandiyudo> naw: right now i'm using beejive
[18:44:09] <naw> but it is not free, right?
[18:44:29] <asandiyudo> yes it doesn't free
[18:45:11] <asandiyudo> that's why i don't recommend it on our page :)
[18:45:42] <cleveland5112> I did. still not working
[18:45:49] <asandiyudo> just let users found it by themself
[18:45:55] <MattJ> cleveland5112, perhaps it takes a while to take effect
[18:47:59] <asandiyudo> anyone knows someone who can develope a blackberry chat client (whitelabel) for jabber/xmpp, which i willing to pay for it?
[18:49:36] <cleveland5112> they say 24 hours
[18:49:47] <cleveland5112> but its been 4 days
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[19:03:00] <cleveland5112> okay so we actually uninstalled google chat on the dashboard
[19:03:07] <cleveland5112> says it takes 30 minutes
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[20:07:58] <Neustradamus> Lastwebpage: have you received the confirmation email ?
[20:09:37] <Lastwebpage> no, but Mattj added it
[20:09:50] <MattJ> I did?
[20:10:18] <Lastwebpage> the list of jabber clients
[20:10:47] <MattJ> Ah, naw did that
[20:10:54] <Neustradamus> the website is dead... bad :(
[20:10:58] <Lastwebpage> ohh sorry ;)
[20:11:24] <Neustradamus> Lastwebpage: I will speak with the webmaster
[20:11:59] <Lastwebpage> no need for it ;)
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[21:28:55] <andrew> anyone here use agsXMPP lib and successfully send a message?
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[22:00:18] <adams29193> started using Jabber via Empathy but get 'Network Error'. What's up?
[22:01:19] <louiz’> on what server ?
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[22:03:22] <mathieui> adams29193, there is a network error
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[22:06:27] <vanburen25982> is that why I posted message as 'adams29193' ad not my login?
[22:06:46] <vanburen25982> now posting as vanburen25982 - wtf?
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[22:10:44] <naw> if you connect via web with speeqe you get a random nickname
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[22:11:22] <naw> with jappix you would be able to choose the login name
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[22:13:41] <anonymous15691> ok, so what settings do I need to get Empathy on Ubuntu to stop displaying the 'Network Error' message?
[22:13:55] <louiz’> depends on your server
[22:15:13] <anonymous15691> going round in circles - 6 hours ago Ubuntu crashed, now I'm here after a steep learning curve evening, and you say 'depends on your server'
[22:15:47] <anonymous15691> be kind - treat me like a complete newb (which I was 6 hours ago)
[22:22:28] <ThurahT> anonymous15691: what is happening?
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[22:29:02] <MattJ> Unfortunately Empathy shows "Network Error" for a wide range of problems
[22:29:27] <MattJ> It's probably worth pursuing it with the Empathy developers (#empathy on Freenode, IRC) rather than here, I guess
[22:29:35] <ThurahT> no specific error code? like 404?
[22:29:42] <MattJ> No
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[22:31:13] <ThurahT> Never tried empathy. Still wonder why they replaced pidgin with it.
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[22:45:11] <hoover45372> ThurahT - Well, it's a long story involving not altogether kosher acquisition of a laptop, and without implicating myself in too deep, I reinstalled OS with Ubuntu.
[22:45:59] <MattJ> You're instantly forgiven, then :)
[22:46:06] <ThurahT> : )
[22:46:30] <hoover45372> new upgrade of Ubuntu keeps crashing, so to try and resolve the issue I've been through countless bug reports, patches, etc
[22:47:11] <hoover45372> I got as far a Systm Check on Ubuntu which lead me to test Empathy chat
[22:47:25] <hoover45372> and i get the 'Network error' message
[22:48:49] <ThurahT> on which service?
[22:49:25] <hoover45372> you got me there - i don't know
[22:49:36] <hoover45372> ??? Jabber
[22:50:43] <MattJ> Jabber is like email, there are lots of services
[22:51:16] <MattJ> Presumably you created an account on one and entered that into Empathy
[22:55:20] <hoover45372> jabber.org
[22:55:40] <ThurahT> searching empathy network error <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=> may help you on your way.. GL. I am off to bed.
[22:56:10] <hoover45372> thank you - sweet dreams
[22:56:24] <ThurahT> hm forget that inserted link.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="empathy+network+error"&btnG=Search <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=> was the one I tried to provide..
[22:56:39] <ThurahT> what..
[22:56:53] <ThurahT> why cant it paste the hole link? : )
[22:57:03] <MattJ> Heh
[22:57:45] <ThurahT> oh.. I see.. The "" screws it up..
[22:59:29] <MattJ> hoover45372, it's probably something wrong in the account settings in Empathy
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[23:06:16] <hoover45372> mattj - In Account Settings I've got; Login; Password; Encryptionrequired (TLS/SSL) - checkbox; Ignore SSL certificate eroros - checkbox; Resource - textbox; Priority - textbox (currently contains '0'
[23:06:45] <MattJ> Login: username@jabber.org
[23:07:01] <MattJ> If you just put your username, that could be an issue
[23:07:20] <hoover45372> already done that
[23:07:50] <MattJ> Everything else shouldn't matter, though perhaps tick "Ignore SSL certificate errors" just in case that helps
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[23:08:35] <hoover45372> just found more settings with the invisible scroll bar - this is more cryptic than Harry Potter
[23:08:39] <MattJ> Heh
[23:08:56] <hoover45372> Also Got - Overide Server Settings
[23:09:39] <hoover45372> Server - textbox; Port - textbox (currently 5222; use old SSL - checkbox
[23:10:17] <MattJ> You shouldn't need to override
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[23:15:45] <taylor32629> woops - Ubuntu crashed again
[23:16:17] <MattJ> Crashed in what way?
[23:25:21] <taylor32629> seems to be shortly after I startup my lapto, Ubuntu is unstable and will restart completely
[23:26:03] <taylor32629> happens when I'm surfing (Chrome or Firefox) and in e-mail (Thunderbird)
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