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[00:48:14] <swmohsin> hello, world!
[00:56:08] <dmex> wb
[00:56:16] <swmohsin> hi dmex ... how are you doing ?
[00:56:39] <swmohsin> i'm about to start a xmpp based client server custom software
[00:56:46] <dmex> yes I saw ;P
[00:56:59] <swmohsin> you an expert dev ?
[00:57:14] <dmex> Windows yes, xmpp not yet.
[00:57:31] <dmex> almost completed a 1.0 xmpp client ;)
[00:57:33] <swmohsin> cool
[00:58:33] <swmohsin> what am i supposed to do to allow an admin to allow/disallow profile picture of a jabber user through a web interface ?
[00:58:40] <swmohsin> am i allowed to tamper with the xmpp server db ?
[00:58:50] <dmex> as the admin yes.
[00:58:58] <dmex> you can do what you like ;)
[00:59:02] <swmohsin> is this support directly available ?
[00:59:11] <swmohsin> or i have to write a custom server side plugin/module etc ?
[00:59:35] <dmex> what server?
[00:59:43] <swmohsin> any xmpp server
[00:59:51] <swmohsin> i'm planning to use openfire
[00:59:55] <dmex> ah
[01:00:03] <dmex> there is a config option afaik
[01:00:20] <swmohsin> i see ... thanks
[01:00:24] <Zash> profile pictures are usualy included in vcard stuff, so you should be able to unload whatever plugin handles that
[01:00:42] <Zash> (if there isn't a specific config option for just the profile picture)
[01:01:00] <swmohsin> hmm ... vcard stuff is handled by a server extension, right ?
[01:02:18] <Zash> afaik, yes. there's nothing stopping a server dev from building it into the core if they really wanted :P
[01:02:45] <swmohsin> ok ... how am i supposed to integrate my web server with xmpp server api ?
[01:03:04] <swmohsin> for example i want to store extended information for each user
[01:04:48] <Zash> like vcard info?
[01:05:14] <dmex> there was a user here using a web client a few days ago
[01:05:28] <dmex> it was very well done
[01:05:36] <dmex> /me tries to track it down.
[01:05:50] <Zash> jappix?
[01:05:56] <swmohsin> actually my scenario does not involve any web client
[01:06:25] <swmohsin> i'm talking about some higher level of administration through web server ... not through the standard xmpp server admin portal
[01:06:28] <swmohsin> how do i do that ?
[01:06:35] <dmex> Zash: yep thats the one :P
[01:06:54] <swmohsin> i'm goint to write my own jabber client in objective-c
[01:06:59] <dmex> swmohsin: openfire is entirely web based.
[01:07:18] <dmex> well for administration
[01:07:32] <swmohsin> @dmex that's right ... but there will be some non-admin users that only want to allow/disallow users and allow/disallow profile pictures .. that's it
[01:07:49] <swmohsin> openfire server admin interface will be an overkill for those uses.
[01:08:27] <swmohsin> how am i supposed to present a very small subset of server side to such users ?
[01:11:14] <dmex> in this instance you would need to modify how the admin console works
[01:11:29] <swmohsin> hmm
[01:11:30] <dmex> afaik openfire does not allow different levels of admins
[01:11:30] <Zash> If you want it to be a web interface, you could expose adhoc commands and use a web interface for that.
[01:12:22] <Zash> Or build something that changes things directly in openfires database (I don't know how it stores its data, so depends on what that is)
[01:12:29] <Zash> assuming that such options are in there
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[01:13:19] <swmohsin> yes .. that's what i want to know. how to integrate xmpp server with our custom web/db server site
[01:15:44] <dmex> your html would need to modify w/e file/database openfire uses for configuration
[01:16:54] <dmex> just as a precaution I'm going to say be caeful how you code that as you could leave your site open to sql injection if you don't validate inputs etc.
[01:17:07] <dmex> careful^
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[08:37:24] <0xd34df00d> Hi!
[08:38:08] <0xd34df00d> Is it OK to rely on server to return a form (as <x xmlns="jabber:x:data" type="form">) in response to <query xmlns="jabber:iq:register"/> for a gateway?
[08:38:41] <0xd34df00d> I don't see any similar examples in XEP-0100, but I've tried out a couple of servers and they seem to return the dataform as well.
[08:39:18] <Kev> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0077.html
[08:41:42] <0xd34df00d> Oh, so I can't. Sad.
[08:42:20] <Kev> You can't?
[08:42:27] <Kev> Isn't that the opposite of what -77 says?
[08:42:33] <Kev> Oh, rely.
[08:42:33] <Kev> Sorry.
[08:42:37] <Kev> Correct, you can't rely on it.
[08:43:39] <0xd34df00d> Yeah, seems like it should return the dataform only if it needs additional information beyond the standard set of tags defined there.
[08:44:44] <Kev> Yes, that's right.
[08:54:14] <0xd34df00d> Ok, thanks.
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[14:30:03] <swmohsin> hello scippio
[14:30:46] <swmohsin> i can see 31 people in this chat room ... 30 of them are offline ... what does that mean ? 30 offline since WHEN ?
[14:31:39] <petermount> I'm actually here, just busy :-/
[14:32:00] <Kev> If people are showing as in the room but offline, that suggests a client bug. What client are you using?
[14:32:25] <louiz’> or a wrong translation
[14:32:39] <louiz’> something like offline instead of « not available »
[14:33:00] <swmohsin> i'm using iChat
[14:33:33] <louiz’> mouarf
[14:33:38] <swmohsin> i can only see nabatt and scippio as online (green button) and asterix, bartender, darkrain, dev .. all grayed out
[14:33:57] <Kev> Well, that's fun.
[14:33:57] <scippio> swmohsin: you have bug
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[14:43:30] <swmohsin> hmm
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