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[10:12:07] <geert.janssens> Hi all, I have just discovered jabber a couple of days back and am trying to configure audio/video calls
[10:12:37] <geert.janssens> I have a created an account on jabber.org, but I don't seem to get audio/video calls working ?
[10:12:53] <geert.janssens> Is this not possible via the Jabber.org server ?
[10:13:05] <Kev> It's a client feature, not server feature.
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[10:13:42] <geert.janssens> I tried several clients so far all of which claim to support audio/video
[10:13:54] <geert.janssens> Empathy, Jitsi, gajim,...
[10:15:55] <geert.janssens> But if it's a client feature, I should perhaps ask in a client specific support channel. I'll check that.
[10:16:13] <Kev> It doesn't require any support from the server beyond basic XMPP, so I think that'd be best.
[10:16:32] <geert.janssens> Ok, thanks.
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[12:34:45] <lucapost> hi all, there are some problem today with jabber rooms
[12:34:50] <lucapost> since yesterday
[12:34:58] <lucapost> is it server problem?
[12:35:08] <lucapost> can anybody help me?
[12:37:34] <Kev> We've been having lots of network problems, yes.
[12:37:36] <Kev> Sorry about that.
[12:39:37] <lucapost> is there official channel where I can read info about this?
[12:39:44] <Kev> No.
[12:39:45] <lucapost> like twitter account or others
[12:39:48] <lucapost> ok
[12:40:04] <Kev> We sometimes post to the identi.ca account, but haven't about this.
[12:40:21] <lucapost> ok, thanks Kev
[12:44:44] <lucapost> Kev, I think that indipendent official channel outside jabber.org can help some users about
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[12:54:24] <lucapost> ok, bye
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[13:52:06] <MisterKanister> Kev: hello, are tehre any statistics available for jabber.org? like how many people have an account, which clients the use etc...?
[13:52:28] <Kev> The last time I checked, there were approx 350,000 registered users.
[13:52:40] <Kev> There are no statistics kept on what clients they're using.
[13:54:02] <MisterKanister> Kev: okay, thanks for information. @clients: okay well, avoiding to store data isn't bad at all : )
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[14:22:34] <boxxybabee> sup! is there any jabber client for iOS (iPhone) with supporting of conference?
[14:22:54] <Tanguy> There is certainly, for instance OneTeam.
[14:23:01] <Tanguy> Now, free of charge, I do not know.
[14:24:01] <Tanguy> Because developing for iOS has a cost for the developer I guess, software are often not free.
[14:24:01] <boxxybabee> ty very much!
[14:24:10] <boxxybabee> yep, it's $6
[14:24:40] <Tanguy> I knew OneTeam was not free.
[14:24:58] <Tanguy> What I do not know is if there are good Jabber clients free of charge for that platform.
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[14:27:53] <louiz’> is there anything free of charge on this os ?
[14:28:32] <Tanguy> Jabber being an communication system designed for openness and iOS a platform designed to be and to stay closed may also cause a lack of interest to develop free Jabber clients on it.
[14:28:59] <Tanguy> Free as in free beer, I mean, because no libre software can be developed to run on iOS.
[14:29:14] <Kev> It certainly can.
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[14:29:31] <Tanguy> I do not see how this could be possible.
[14:29:45] <Tanguy> Free software implies you can redistribute it.
[14:29:54] <Tanguy> Only Apple can distribute software for iOS.
[14:30:06] <Kev> Ah, the GPL junkie definition :)
[14:30:15] <Kev> Yes, this is true.
[14:30:20] <Tanguy> No, only the FSF definition.
[14:30:42] <Kev> I'm not convinced the FSF are totally separated from the GPL.
[14:30:44] <Tanguy> FSF also defined the GPL, which is a license that complies with their definition of freedom, but they are independant.
[14:31:22] <Tanguy> Anyway, I cannot imagine a definition of free software without the ability to redistribute.
[14:31:43] <Kev> I consider BSD software to be free, for example.
[14:31:51] <Tanguy> And to be honest, I usually refer to the Debian definition of free software.
[14:31:53] <Kev> More so than GPL software.
[14:32:06] <Kev> Debian considers BSD stuff to be free also.
[14:32:13] <Tanguy> Cool. Well, good news: FSF also does.
[14:32:54] <Tanguy> By the way, the Debian definition is equal to the Open Source Initiative one.
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[14:33:15] <Kev> Yes, and it's entirely possible to run OSI approved licensed software on IOS.
[14:33:36] <Tanguy> Well, I do not consider that the license is enough to qualify a software of free.
[14:33:49] <Tanguy> I also consider the technical restrictions.
[14:34:23] <Kev> That's internally inconsistent, I'm out.
[14:34:26] <Tanguy> And in this case, they forbid redistribution, redistribution of modified code and execution of modified code.
[14:34:53] <Link Mauve> Kev, IIRC the VLC team was forced to remove VLC from apple’s repos because they violated the licence.
[14:35:04] <Tanguy> I take the user case: I received a copy of a software. Can I redistribute it? I cannot, then I am not free, period.
[14:36:37] <Tanguy> Consider that when you run a software on a platform such as iOS, you are not only bound to its license, but possibly also to other stuff, either contractual or technical.
[14:38:27] <Tanguy> You can modify my sentence “It is not possible to have free software on iOS” to “It is not possible to benefit from software freedom on iOS” if that may help.
[14:40:13] <Kev> I understand what you mean. I don't agree with it, but I understand what you mean.
[14:42:35] <Tanguy> And to me, this is the basis of the incompatibility between the GPL and iOS: this license being designed to enforce the liberties, it is fundamentally incompatible with a system that is designed to forbid some of them.
[14:43:15] <Kev> Yes, the iOS license and GPL and fundamentally incompatible, by design.
[14:43:26] <Kev> I don't think there's any disagreement about this :)
[14:43:45] <Kev> s/GPL/GPLv3/
[14:44:56] <louiz’> Tanguy, you can have free software on iOS, but not GPL’ed software
[14:46:28] <Link Mauve> louiz’, when the user gets them, they are no more free softwares.
[14:46:54] <Tanguy> Well, this is exactly what I was thinking.
[14:47:25] <Tanguy> They do not get the source code, or the compiled code, they get a bundle of the compiled code plus a DRM.
[14:47:38] <Tanguy> This DRM being, by nature, non free.
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[15:01:02] <taft24616> Good time, tell me plees why my jabber server can not properly comunicate with jabber.org? I use open fire with self-signed certs and messages from jabber.org cam to me bat from me to jabber.org not. Is it because i use self-signed certs?
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[15:01:28] <Kev> What version of openfire? The new release broke S2S if you have TLS enabled, I think.
[15:01:45] <taft24616> 3.7.0 - last
[15:01:54] <MattJ> /me fights with Gajim
[15:02:19] <Kev> taft24616: I think S2S is broken in that.
[15:02:26] <Kev> I think there are patches you can apply, or you can turn off TLS.
[15:03:09] <taft24616> you think if i install 3.6.x it can solve this problem?
[15:03:33] <Kev> It will introduce other problems, I think, but it'll likely solve this one.
[15:03:43] <Kev> Or you can find the patch in their bug tracker and rebuild.
[15:03:51] <taft24616> if i turn off tls to me messages not go to
[15:05:38] <taft24616> thank you , i will try to rebuild it if find path
[15:07:04] <Kev> There have also been network issues recently, which may have caused short outages.
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[15:19:14] <quincyadams43381> hi
[15:19:33] <Kev> Hello.
[15:19:43] <quincyadams43381> why do i need jabber for kbot
[15:20:00] <quincyadams43381> i don't undersand
[15:20:45] <louiz’> kbot?
[15:20:51] <louiz’> what is this?
[15:21:03] <Kev> kbot is a cheating system for MMOs (RuneScape, I think). I won't be answering the question.
[15:21:46] <quincyadams43381> thx
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[15:22:06] <louiz’> aha
[15:22:18] <louiz’> these MMOs are using XMPP?
[15:22:51] <Kev> No, the bot is.
[15:23:04] <Kev> As far as I understand it (which isn't far)
[15:23:21] <louiz’> ok, but how can a XMPP bot interract with the game?
[15:23:44] <Kev> The bot is software that logs into the game and plays it for you.
[15:23:50] <Kev> I think it communicates with other bots over XMPP.
[15:23:56] <louiz’> ah, ok
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[17:19:30] <coolidge59700> hi
[17:19:44] <coolidge59700> can someone help me ?
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[17:21:34] <Kev> And we'll never know...
[17:23:28] <asandiyudo@mayplaces.com> i know :)
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[18:22:34] <clinton15972> Ipad
[18:23:10] <clinton15972> I Need an iPad Client ! Can you help me?
[18:25:42] <asandiyudo@mayplaces.com> purchase it :)
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[18:33:38] <louiz’> I think he needs an XMPP client runnig on an iPad :p
[18:35:08] <asandiyudo@mayplaces.com> https://imo.im/ i thought that can
[18:35:32] <asandiyudo@mayplaces.com> or http://monal.im/
[18:36:34] <asandiyudo@mayplaces.com> yes i was thought he needs an iPad :D
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[20:24:43] <misalarie> hello--I am trying to create a conference but am unable to. Everytime I invite someone to the conference I think I've created, they get an error message indicating the conference room does not exist. Please advise...
[20:25:12] <Kev> misalarie: I suspect I know what this is. How are you creating the room?
[20:28:25] <misalarie> I'm trying to do so through the trillian client. I click on the jabber icon at the top and then navigate to "join a conference" and fill in the form. A chat window pops up that says I am the moderator.
[20:29:30] <Kev> Has trillian got an XML console you can see what it's sending on the wire with?
[20:30:13] <misalarie> not that I know of but then again I'm fairly new to trillian 5
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[23:31:46] <роро> 7
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