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[00:17:47] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> Hey does anyone have recommendations for an xmpp server for windows?
[00:17:59] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> Hopefully with a GPL
[00:18:57] <MattJ> What are your requirements?
[00:19:23] <MattJ> There are a number of open-source servers around, in fact all I can think of run on Windows
[00:20:03] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> I need persistant chatrooms (that can remember properties), and have the ability to log on anonymous users with properties as well
[00:20:25] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> chat room properties would be like: topic, location, etc
[00:20:59] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> user properties would be like: male/female, age, etc
[00:22:01] <MattJ> Pretty much any of them support those things :)
[00:22:24] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> nice =)
[00:22:27] <MattJ> I'm thinking Openfire, ejabberd, Prosody
[00:22:36] <MattJ> Prosody is the one I develop and use
[00:23:15] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> im also going to be switching servers at some point, so i need one where I can move all the information at some point
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[00:23:57] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5760530/can-i-do-with-an-xmpp-ejabbered-server
[00:24:07] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> that's a detailed description
[00:25:37] <MattJ> Prosody just stores all its data in one directory, or a database if you tell it to
[00:26:13] <MattJ> I imagine it's pretty easy to move any of the servers between machines
[00:28:08] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> yea the more i read the documentation the more it seems that would be trivial
[00:28:25] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> why prosody instead of openfire?
[00:29:51] <MattJ> > [01:22:36] MattJ: Prosody is the one I develop and use
[00:29:52] <MattJ> :)
[00:30:19] <MattJ> If you're asking me to tell you why not to use Openfire... it's not as actively developed I believe
[00:30:38] <MattJ> and it doesn't scale terribly well
[00:31:37] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> hmmmz
[00:31:50] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> yea i expect ill need a few 1000 chatrooms down the line
[00:32:22] <MattJ> http://community.igniterealtime.org/docs/DOC-1925
[00:36:15] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> that looks pretty bad
[00:36:29] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> but was back in 2009, it hasnt been fixed since then?
[00:36:59] <MattJ> It hadn't in 2010, and as I said, Openfire hasn't really been actively developed...
[00:37:22] <MattJ> They had a spike of activity recently, and got a release out
[00:37:26] <MattJ> But it was mostly bugfixes
[00:37:44] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> i cant find a community page for prosody
[00:38:06] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> prosody.im looks like there's no plugins or community to get help
[00:38:15] <MattJ> er, have you been to http://prosody.im/ ?
[00:41:31] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> lol yea, looks kinda cheap (no offense!)
[00:42:01] <MattJ> and you couldn't find the community links?
[00:42:21] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> yea, but no forums?
[00:42:51] <MattJ> https://groups.google.com/group/prosody-users ?
[00:43:19] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> ok nice! =)
[00:43:41] <MattJ> It's linked from the page you would have got to had you clicked on either of the links under "community" :)
[00:48:42] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> oh ok i see, thats the mailing list
[00:48:57] <rob.grzesik@jabber.org> i was under the impression that mailing list meant something esle
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[00:53:03] <Robert Grzesik> damn internet...
[00:53:35] <Robert Grzesik> ok so what about this: is prosody dos based? or are there windows like openfire
[00:53:38] <Robert Grzesik> ?
[00:56:01] <MattJ> No, it's not DOS-based :)
[00:57:08] <MattJ> But no, it doesn't have an admin UI like Openfire
[00:57:11] <MattJ> (yet)
[00:57:36] <Robert Grzesik> yea the UI is very useful
[00:57:56] <Robert Grzesik> i gave up on dos based programming in the 90s lol
[00:58:17] <MattJ> Windows hasn't shipped DOS since the 90s...
[00:58:30] <MattJ> You're mixing the Windows console with DOS
[00:58:40] <Robert Grzesik> lol yea youre right
[00:58:45] <Robert Grzesik> you know what i mean though =)
[00:58:57] <MattJ> Sure
[00:59:23] <Robert Grzesik> am i seeing things or is openfire under apache license now? (aka no free installs)
[00:59:54] <MattJ> Apache licence doesn't allow free installs?
[01:00:02] <MattJ> That's news to me (and likely a lot of people)
[01:00:13] <Robert Grzesik> is it free?
[01:00:25] <MattJ> Sure
[01:00:31] <Robert Grzesik> im reading the license now, i guess i just assumed
[01:03:49] <Robert Grzesik> what do you think of ejabberd?
[01:04:23] <MattJ> Try it and see what you think
[01:05:04] <MattJ> I think your values and mine differ enough that you probably don't need to know much about what I think :)
[01:06:11] <Robert Grzesik> yea maybe, but you seem really good with details i wouldnt forsee
[01:06:38] <Robert Grzesik> aka: you know your stuff =)
[01:06:47] <MattJ> I've just been around a long time, and have tried pretty much all of the servers
[01:06:58] <MattJ> ...which is why I started the Prosody project
[01:07:35] <Robert Grzesik> yea it looks like it has the potential to be the best server
[01:08:31] <Robert Grzesik> only problem is it might be a little too difficult for me to handle right now considering i have no experience with xmpp (yet)
[01:09:19] <MattJ> It's just a configuration file with options that are documented, but fine, I understand
[01:09:27] <MattJ> Openfire is your best choice if that's your main concern
[01:09:43] <MattJ> it has the nicest admin UI out of all the servers currently, in my opinion
[01:11:32] <Robert Grzesik> yea it looks like it would be the easiest to setup and use, but that bug you showed me seems like it could be a major problem down the line
[01:12:06] <Robert Grzesik> is that bug only if you attach plugins?
[01:13:05] <MattJ> Best speak to the Openfire folks directly if you want more details
[01:14:06] <Robert Grzesik> ok
[01:14:15] <Robert Grzesik> thank you! you were amazing help
[01:14:26] <MattJ> You're welcome, good luck :)
[01:17:08] <Robert Grzesik> thank you =)
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[13:17:17] <عامر> Is there swift for mobile ؟ niekie
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[13:30:29] <Kev> Not yet, no.
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[15:14:05] <lastsky> hi folks, whom can i ask to retrieve forgotten password?
[15:14:23] <Kev> For a jabber.org account?
[15:14:30] <Kev> http://www.jabber.org/
[15:14:31] <lastsky> yes
[15:15:05] <lastsky> aha, stpeter only, ok
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[15:38:08] <john--connor> nimbuzz is not working
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[15:38:55] <coward56181> ?
[15:39:20] <john--connor> nimbuzz is a jabber service
[15:39:26] <john--connor> on openfire
[15:42:19] <coward56181> join?
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[15:53:37] <harrykar> hi all. Kev here's an interesting XMPP application (a Spin-off Messina's Uni & di ed azienda del Insirio Group) in it_lang(use r translator) http://www.inquadro.com/documenti/soluzioni/WhereArt.pdf
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[16:25:38] <هدى> .version marseille
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[19:57:00] <mckinley7274> I can't connect to ichat or adium through jabber. ichat says it can't connect to host hermes.jabber.org. And Adium says 'initializing stream 25%' and never gets past 25%.
[19:57:52] <Kev> I've just checked, and I'm able to log in fine.
[19:58:36] <mckinley7274> i haven't been able to log on for a long time. it's a problem with my account or settings or something.
[19:59:29] <Kev> Fire up a terminal, and type dig -t srv _xmpp-client._tcp.jabber.org, and see if a line contains 'hermes' also type telnet hermes.jabber.org 5222 and see what that says.
[20:12:22] <mckinley7274> i'm afraid to say i'm on a mac and i don't know how to do that.
[20:47:14] <mckinley7274> ok, i figured it out and it does contain a line that says hermes.jabber.org
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[20:47:35] <Kev> Does the telnet work?
[20:48:08] <mckinley7274> no: invalid command.
[20:48:20] <Kev> o_O
[20:48:25] <mckinley7274> here's the line from earlier. _xmpp-client._tcp.jabber.org. 300 IN SRV 30 30 5222 hermes.jabber.org.
[20:48:28] <Kev> What exactly did you type?
[20:48:37] <Kev> OS X comes with telnet.
[20:49:09] <mckinley7274> i'm totally unfamiliar with this.
[20:49:14] <mckinley7274> i typed telnet.
[20:49:30] <Kev> Into the same terminal into which you typed the dig command?
[20:49:36] <mckinley7274> telnet> hermes.jabber.org 5222
[20:49:37] <mckinley7274> yes
[20:49:43] <Kev> No.
[20:49:48] <mckinley7274> new terminal?
[20:49:54] <Kev> Not telnet <enter> hermes.jabber.org 5222 <enter>
[20:50:03] <Kev> just telnet hermes.jabber.org 5222 <enter>
[20:50:12] <Kev> So quit telnet fist.
[20:50:14] <Kev> *first
[20:50:18] <mckinley7274> how?
[20:50:26] <Kev> quit
[20:50:33] <mckinley7274> got it
[20:50:54] <mckinley7274> it's trying
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[20:51:06] <Kev> There you go then.
[20:51:14] <Kev> It seems you have some networking issue preventing you reaching the server.
[20:51:25] <Kev> Might you be behind a firewall blocking XMPP?
[20:52:47] <mckinley7274> under firewall under security it's checked for 'allow all incoming connections'
[20:52:55] <mckinley7274> is there somewhere else i should check?
[20:53:08] <mckinley7274> i appreciate your help, by the way.
[20:53:11] <Kev> I mean on the network itself.
[20:53:19] <Kev> Are you maybe at work and they block XMPP?
[20:53:27] <mckinley7274> nope, at home.
[20:53:30] <mckinley7274> where do i check that?
[20:53:40] <Kev> Has the connection to hermes timed out?
[20:53:51] <mckinley7274> yes
[20:54:02] <mckinley7274> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
[20:54:13] <Kev> Try telnet talk.google.com 5222
[20:54:35] <mckinley7274> trying
[20:55:18] <mckinley7274> still trying
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[20:55:53] <mckinley7274> timed out
[20:55:58] <Kev> Ok, so it is a problem with your network setup. Either your machine is blocking it (very very unlikely unless you've installed some third-party firewall on top of the Mac one), your local network is blocking it (unlikely if you set up the router, or ask the person who did), or your ISP is blocking it.
[20:56:28] <mckinley7274> i don't any third-party fire wall.
[20:56:49] <Kev> Your ISP blocking it is also quite unlikely (the point of an ISP being to connect you to the Internet), so something's a bit odd somewhere.
[20:56:52] <mckinley7274> i did set up the router myself. (only partly knew what i was doing, but it seems to work.)
[20:57:25] <Kev> Did you set any firewall against *outgoing* connections on the router?
[20:57:50] <mckinley7274> i don't remember doing that. where do i look?
[20:58:06] <Kev> I can't help with that, it's going to be specific to your router. You should check the manual or such.
[20:58:16] <mckinley7274> ok
[20:58:40] <mckinley7274> when i do, am i looking for blocks for XMPP?
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[20:59:29] <Isaac> isaac
[21:00:12] <Kev> mckinley7274: Or you might be looking for something that says "Only let web and mail traffic out" or something.
[21:00:18] <Kev> It's rather difficult to say.
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[21:00:53] <mckinley7274> ok. thanks for your patience.
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