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[06:53:29] <matthew.of.boswell> hello
[06:54:35] <tichodroma> hi
[06:55:21] <matthew.of.boswell> I just noticed that about 99% of the jabber.org chatrooms are totally empty... is there a way to find inhabited chatrooms in psi? If not, is there a better chat client I should use? Thanks =)
[06:56:04] <matthew.of.boswell> I'd chat here, but that would kinda be an abuse of the system...
[06:57:37] <tichodroma> I'm not sure if XEP-0045 supports listing the number of people in a MUC
[06:57:52] <tichodroma> Perhaps you can find out if this works here: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#disco-roominfo
[06:58:31] <tichodroma> muc#roominfo_occupants
[06:58:50] <tichodroma> Don't know if any client interprets this information
[06:58:58] <tichodroma> and if any server sets it :)
[06:59:06] <matthew.of.boswell> hmm... psi does allow me to see the participants before entering a room...
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[06:59:36] <matthew.of.boswell> but it's a matter of hitting the down and right arrows for about 2 minutes just to get through the A's
[07:00:04] <tichodroma> As?
[07:00:13] <matthew.of.boswell> yeah, chatrooms beginning with the letter A
[07:00:19] <tichodroma> ah!
[07:00:31] <matthew.of.boswell> psi lets me see a huge list of all the rooms, but I have to click the + sign to see if there are people in it.
[07:00:46] <matthew.of.boswell> or press right arrow....
[07:00:54] <tichodroma> do you have to actually enter the room for this?
[07:01:00] <matthew.of.boswell> nope
[07:01:10] <tichodroma> sounds like an UI improvement for Psi :)
[07:01:17] <matthew.of.boswell> I'm guessing that psi is implementing the discovery protocol
[07:01:32] <matthew.of.boswell> but it seems to only do the discovery when you request it... one room at a time
[07:01:51] <matthew.of.boswell> IF it did an automated discovery on all the rooms... wouldn't that kill the bandwidth though?
[07:02:07] <tichodroma> sounds reasonable
[07:02:20] <tichodroma> the iq is done on a per-room-basis
[07:02:56] <matthew.of.boswell> Hmm... so if someone did "improve" the ui, it would come at the cost of lots of bandwidth for the conference server from all the users of the "improved" client
[07:03:41] <matthew.of.boswell> see, the main thing that would be practical, from a user's p.o.v., is a list of inhabited rooms... as it is now, the room list is a bunch of ghosts...
[07:03:49] <tichodroma> you are correct
[07:04:03] <matthew.of.boswell> I can see why the official jabber policy is "please delete your room when you're done with it."
[07:04:11] <tichodroma> I'm not sure if this was taken into consideration when XEP-0045 was written
[07:04:16] <tichodroma> :)
[07:05:00] <matthew.of.boswell> Maybe there should be a request to the server to please give a list of "inhabited" rooms.
[07:05:25] <matthew.of.boswell> I wonder how IRC solved this problem...
[07:05:32] <matthew.of.boswell> maybe because rooms close when they're empty?
[07:06:06] <tichodroma> I've no idea :/
[07:06:23] <matthew.of.boswell> dang..... looks like I'll actually have to do some coding if I want a solution to the problem...
[07:07:05] <tichodroma> have fun :)
[07:07:11] <matthew.of.boswell> :(
[07:07:23] <matthew.of.boswell> I apologize for my laziness in advance
[07:07:25] <matthew.of.boswell> lol
[07:08:13] <matthew.of.boswell> I can't get any open-source dev work done till I catch up on my money-making work...
[07:08:26] <matthew.of.boswell> oh, do you dev in a jabber client, or just keep up on xmpp standards?
[07:08:36] <tichodroma> I just use it
[07:09:04] <matthew.of.boswell> lol so you did a quick search to answer my question. You responded like you knew it off the top of your head. pretty slick.
[07:09:18] <tichodroma> ;)
[07:09:33] <tichodroma> it stimulates the mind :)
[07:09:36] <matthew.of.boswell> I remember reading through those XEP's to find a solution to the invisiblity/stealth problem... what a maze
[07:10:13] <matthew.of.boswell> I think there was one accepted solution to stealth... but it's not implemented in most servers and clients
[07:11:32] <matthew.of.boswell> in the meantime, there's a hack-ish solution of logging into jabber, but not setting presence to online, and only sending online presence to the people you want to see you online... no client that I know of supports it, but I was able to succeed with sending raw stanzas :-/
[07:12:30] <tichodroma> sounds really hack-ish .)
[07:12:46] <matthew.of.boswell> LOL. hack-ish enough that I didn't do it as an actual solution
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[07:13:09] <matthew.of.boswell> my real solution? Don't give anybode my jabber id that I don't want to always see me online
[07:13:16] <matthew.of.boswell> anybody*
[07:13:36] <matthew.of.boswell> I have an alternate id that I use for people I want to see me online *some* of the time
[07:14:51] <matthew.of.boswell> and when I get too many people of the annoying type on this id, I'll set up a more private id and only give it out to trusted people..... I guess it's gonna be a cycle until stealth is done, or until my business makes enough money that I can take a break from it to code stealth into somebody's server and somebody else's client.
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[07:29:41] <matthew.of.boswell> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0055.html aha, this should solve the problem of finding inhabited chat rooms
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[07:46:23] <matthew.of.boswell> Good night
[07:46:36] <matthew.of.boswell> and thanks again
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[11:43:29] <Vksshrm21> Matthew tu hai upras say
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[13:32:40] <obama48507> Hello, I have been asked to install a Jabber server in house, but I am not able to find the installation files on Jabber.org?
[13:34:22] <Kev> Jabber.org is just one service on the Internet. It isn't a software project.
[13:34:34] <Kev> I'd suggest you go grab http://prosody.im if you want a Free server to install.
[13:35:03] <obama48507> Excellent, really appreciate the quick response.
[13:36:02] <obama48507> So, Jabber is a hosted solution only?
[13:37:56] <Kev> It's important not to confuse individual deployments (like jabber.org, or jabber.ru, or flosoft.biz or whatever) with either server software (Prosody, M-Link, ejabberd, Tigase, etc.) or with 'Jabber', the network.
[13:38:26] <Kev> ('Jabber' also used to refer to the protocol, but that's been called XMPP for many years now)
[13:40:32] <obama48507> Ok, I understand.
[13:40:52] <obama48507> Thank You.
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[15:42:34] <sosoo1> ب
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