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[00:50:07] <Dijon> hi! i'm a new jabber user can i ask a question?
[00:51:41] <HedgeMage> Sure
[00:51:45] <HedgeMage> that's what we're here for :)
[00:52:44] <Dijon> :) i made an account on jabber.org and trying to convince firends passing on jabber, but
[00:52:55] <Dijon> it's normal i can't send offline messages?
[00:53:23] <louiz’> No
[00:53:32] <louiz’> Where are you trying to send offline messages ?
[00:53:44] <louiz’> And, well, in fact it depends if the remote server supports this feature.
[00:53:47] <Dijon> to another user with a jabber.org
[00:54:01] <louiz’> THen this should work.
[00:54:21] <Dijon> because i have an accout made also on jabber.com and on this i can reach and send offline messages, but not on with jabber.org
[00:54:49] <Dijon> i tried with gajim and pidgin
[00:55:19] <HedgeMage> dijon: Who are you trying to send an offline message *to* ? Sometimes the problem is on the receiving end.
[00:55:32] <Dijon> Gajim show a service-unavaiable in the chat window
[00:56:20] <Dijon> im trying to send a message to 2 my friend that are offline
[00:56:22] <louiz’> are you sure the account exists?
[00:56:31] <Dijon> yes i'm sure
[00:56:52] <Dijon> if i try to send a message appears the phrase service-unavailable
[00:57:02] <Dijon> i tried to make a test with my self too
[00:57:26] <Dijon> and if i send a message to my dijon@jabber.org offline the message don't arrive
[00:57:37] <Dijon> if i send to my dijon@jabber.com then it arrives
[00:57:57] <Dijon> so i am on doubt if is a problem of jabber.org or not
[00:58:11] <louiz’> I don't know
[00:58:26] <Dijon> because i read on the web that not all jabber servers support offline messages
[00:58:33] <louiz’> isn't Kev a jabber.org administrator?
[00:58:54] <louiz’> Yes, but I doubt jabber.org doesn't
[00:59:08] <louiz’> though, I'm not sure…
[00:59:08] <MattJ> Dijon, using Gajim?
[00:59:13] <louiz’> yes
[00:59:15] <Dijon> yes using Gajim
[00:59:27] <MattJ> Dijon, right-click on the account in your contact list, choose "Execute command"
[00:59:32] <MattJ> and then "User configuration"
[00:59:50] <Dijon> execute command i cant click on it
[00:59:55] <MattJ> Is "Store messages received while offline?" ticked?
[00:59:56] <Dijon> it's trasparent
[01:00:06] <MattJ> Then you're not on jabber.org? :)
[01:00:09] <MattJ> It works for me
[01:00:13] <MattJ> and I'm also using Gajim
[01:00:31] <Dijon> mmm
[01:00:43] <Dijon> i cant select execute command..
[01:00:46] <MattJ> It may not work on jabber.com btw
[01:00:49] <MattJ> I mean on jabber.org
[01:01:26] <hesediel> ah ok not on my contact
[01:01:30] <hesediel> sorry
[01:01:47] <hesediel> yes on jabber.org it works
[01:02:45] <hesediel> so i have to select store..
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[01:03:03] <MattJ> Is it enabled or not?
[01:03:09] <hesediel> no it isnt'
[01:03:14] <hesediel> i have enabled it
[01:03:20] <MattJ> Ok, then it's a bug
[01:03:26] <MattJ> Unless you previously changed it
[01:03:33] <MattJ> It should be enabled for all new accounts by default
[01:03:53] <hesediel> all my frind accounts are made yesterday and today!
[01:04:04] <hesediel> and i can't send offline messages to noone
[01:04:21] <hesediel> so maybe it's a server problem
[01:04:22] <MattJ> Ok, I'll look into it
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[01:04:33] <louiz’> MattJ, are you a jabber.org admin?
[01:04:37] <MattJ> Yes
[01:04:47] <louiz’> ah, didn't know that. ok :)
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[01:06:21] <hesediel> sorry i crashed
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[01:06:55] <stuklist> hi all
[01:06:58] <Dijon> hi
[01:06:58] <MattJ> Hi
[01:07:05] <Dijon> sorry i'm crashed
[01:07:10] <stuklist> whats up?
[01:07:27] <MattJ> Ok, I just created a new account and it's disabled... I'll poke around and make sure this gets fixed :)
[01:07:30] <MattJ> Thanks
[01:07:31] <stuklist> hi MatJ.. nice to meet you..
[01:08:08] <stuklist> hi Dijon
[01:08:14] <Dijon> its going to be fixed automatically
[01:08:27] <Dijon> or i have to tell my friend to select the option installing gajim?
[01:08:33] <Dijon> Hi stuk
[01:09:12] <MattJ> Dijon, I don't know yet
[01:10:42] <Dijon> hum ok, because we are a comunity migrating on jabber.org so i can advise them for this problem :)
[01:12:07] <MattJ> Dijon, hang around for a bit, and we'll keep you updated
[01:12:19] <MattJ> Probably won't have an answer til tomorrow though
[01:12:27] <Dijon> oh ok right know, thank you very much MattJ
[01:12:58] <MattJ> np, thanks for finding the issue :)
[01:13:07] <MattJ> It used to be ok, so perhaps an upgrade has broken it
[01:13:33] <Dijon> :)
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[01:29:26] <Dijon> ok i was trying to send a message to all my new jabber account friends and i think they all have the option for offline messages not working, i also try to tell them how to activate the option
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[01:47:28] <Dijon> stuk are you a new jabber user?
[01:48:48] <stuklist> ya
[01:49:08] <stuklist> (:
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[01:52:09] <Dijon> because i'm new too
[01:52:21] <Dijon> and i found a little bug with the offline messages
[01:52:38] <Dijon> so i can tell it you too
[01:53:11] <Dijon> the server didn't enable on default the capacity to recive offline messages to the news account
[01:53:42] <Dijon> so if you can't receive offline messages you have to enable the option!
[01:54:30] <Dijon> early Matt was saying that he will go fix the issue but he didn't told if the fix can be made automatically to the accounts from server
[01:55:04] <Dijon> so if you're a new user like me maybe this can intrest you
[02:07:49] <stuklist> didnt enable on default the capacity? what is that suppose to be?
[02:08:03] <stuklist> im sorry.. im noob in english
[02:08:25] <Dijon> i'm italian im not a pro in english
[02:08:50] <Dijon> no it will not enable on default this capacity but this i s a bug
[02:09:20] <Dijon> the server was configured to set this capacity on default
[02:09:34] <Dijon> but maybe some update broken something
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[02:50:12] <stuklist> hmm...
[02:50:35] <stuklist> thats what u tell to mattJ..?
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[03:00:04] <Dijon> yes
[03:00:19] <Dijon> i reported the bug
[03:00:33] <Dijon> MAtt said that he will fix the problem
[03:01:01] <Dijon> but don't know if the fix will be active to the news account automatically from server
[03:01:12] <Dijon> maybe this we will know tomorrow
[03:01:41] <Dijon> but you can also check and eventually activate the option by yourself from the client
[03:02:05] <Dijon> i know how to do with gajim and pidgin
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[03:26:00] <kennedy52214> I am using forumer for my forum and I am trying to set up Jabber, it's asking for a 'Jabber Server' What does that meam?
[03:27:54] <kennedy52214> Hello?
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[03:33:34] <Nobu> Hmm...
[03:33:37] <Nobu> /whowas
[03:34:09] <Nobu> Nope, need to learn some xmpp 1337 skills.
[03:38:09] <Nobu> Anyway, if kennedy52214 comes back, this looks relevent: http://logs.jabber.org/jabber@conference.jabber.org/2009-08-13.html
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[04:47:35] <Nobu> Found out that you can set a password for certain server/nick combinations with mod_irc with a service command. Looks like it still uses NickServ, but at least it works.
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[09:13:54] <Lord19802> :-)
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[11:26:24] <Dijon> hi all
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[15:11:35] <Dijon> hi
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[15:17:15] <Dijon> Some one knows what means xml error on pidgin when connecting to jabber? also my account with gajim connect and disconnects
[15:19:24] <Tanguy> I have heard about some problems with <jabber.org>, if you are using this service.
[15:19:46] <Tanguy> (I am not using it, but using my own server, so I cannot test)
[15:19:46] <Dijon> yes using jabber.org
[15:20:38] <Tanguy> Well, it seams they are experiencing problems with the account service. Not with the MUC service (that hosts this room for instance), as far as I know.
[15:21:06] <Tanguy> But again, this is only what I heard, as I am not using their service, I am not affected.
[15:22:08] <Dijon> because i am passed to jabber.org those days so a lot of my friends
[15:22:31] <Dijon> and from about 5 minutes they cant connect to jabber.org
[15:22:47] <Dijon> pidgin get parsing XML error
[15:22:53] <Dijon> and they connect and disconnect
[15:23:01] <Tanguy> You know there are other Jabber providers, don't you?
[15:23:01] <Dijon> :-|
[15:23:10] <Dijon> yes of course
[15:24:24] <Dijon> and a strange thing is that i have 2 accounts on jabber.org one works the other no
[15:24:38] <Tanguy> And you know that <jabber.org> is a *very* popular one, run by volunteers, quite overloaded in terms of accounts, and thus probably not the best choice to open an account on?
[15:25:40] <Dijon> so are you saying it's better to make an account to another server?
[15:27:07] <Tanguy> This is what I would do if I had to open an account somewhere else than my own server.
[15:27:25] <Tanguy> Fortunately I have my own server so I need to rely on no external service.
[15:29:58] <Dijon> ok i understand but i don't have a server :P so i made an account on jabber.org
[15:31:27] <Dijon> the strange thing is that i have 2 accounts on jabber.org and only one it's having this problem, so also my friends
[15:31:32] <Tanguy> Now, maybe there is another reason not linked to jabber.org themselves, but I heard there were some problems.
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[15:36:28] <grant35038> I am not sure about the benefits of setting this stuff up. I use Skype and WLM mostly, but thought the idea of chatting with whomever sounded pretty good. I suppose my question here is: Is it possible to chat with any IM program users I know, and if so, how?
[15:36:58] <grant35038> Kind of a loaded question. I apologize beforehand.
[15:37:53] <grant35038> ... Well, to whom it may concern, I'll be here waiting for an answer so please feel free to answer any time.
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[15:38:12] <Kev> Tanguy: It's the first I knew of jabber.org being overloaded.
[15:39:10] <Kev> Dijon: could you get the XML that's causing Pidgin to disconnect, please?
[15:39:21] <Kev> There is an 'XMPP XML Console' plugin or similar that you can enable.
[15:39:59] <Dijon> mmmm before also gajim give me an error
[15:40:17] <Kev> grant35038: It is possible, using software like http://spectrum.im running on the server, but this is not the cleanest solution. If you want to talk to people on WLM, using some multi-protocol client, or WLM itself, is probably a better user experience.
[15:40:28] <Kev> Dijon: Gajim has an XML console built in, using that would be fine.
[15:41:03] <grant35038> I see. Well, thank you for your reply.
[15:41:23] <Dijon> becaus i'm running on gajim and pidgin, pidgin i have 1 account workin and 1 giving PArsing XML error, the same account on gajim works, but if i start gajim he gives me an error. I try to read this error
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[15:42:27] <Dijon> ok this is what gajim writes when i opened it
[15:42:28] <Dijon> Traceback (most recent call last): File "src\gui_interface.py", line 3043, in process_connections File "src\common\xmpp\idlequeue.py", line 484, in process File "src\common\xmpp\transports_nb.py", line 414, in pollin File "src\common\xmpp\transports_nb.py", line 600, in _do_receive File "src\common\xmpp\transports_nb.py", line 614, in _on_receive File "src\common\xmpp\roster_nb.py", line 345, in _on_roster_set AttributeError: NonBlockingRoster instance has no attribute '_owner'
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[15:43:17] <Kev> Dijon: That's Gajim crashing, it's not invalid XML from the server :)
[15:43:26] <Kev> (Although it could have been caused by this, of course)
[15:44:36] <Dijon> All my friends have the same problem but they are running pidgin and they cant totally connect
[15:44:40] <Dijon> me too
[15:44:59] <Kev> Try getting the XML from Pidgin, then.
[15:45:05] <Kev> The service seems to be up and running fine for me.
[15:45:10] <Dijon> if i run with Gajim i can but first i get a disconnection
[15:45:22] <Dijon> then i got the connection with the error
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[15:46:09] <Dijon> The strage thing is that i have 2 accounts on jabber.org and one works perfetcly
[15:46:38] <Dijon> The only think is that, before this problem i was configuring a room in a conference room
[15:46:46] <Dijon> when i kicked a user the problem started
[15:47:05] <Kev> We won't know what's wrong until we have the XML :)
[15:47:29] <Dijon> :P sorry i', triining but i don't know where i can find it
[15:47:48] <Dijon> thank you by the way for patience
[15:48:01] <Kev> You'll first need to enable the plugin (I hope it's installed) in the plugins menu item.
[15:48:23] <Dijon> i have enabled the console XMPP
[15:48:40] <Dijon> can be this?
[15:48:41] <Dijon> <iq type='get' id='purple728647c0'> <ping xmlns='urn:xmpp:ping'/> </iq> <iq from='jabber.com' id='purple728647c0' to='dijon@jabber.com/Home' type='error'> <ping xmlns='urn:xmpp:ping'/> <error code='503' type='cancel'> <service-unavailable xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas'/> </error> </iq>
[15:48:53] <Kev> No.
[15:49:06] <Kev> Wait.
[15:49:12] <Kev> That's jabber.com, not jabber.org
[15:49:21] <Dijon> yes it was a problem
[15:49:26] <Dijon> my bad
[15:49:56] <Dijon> so if i start the jabber.org
[15:50:08] <Link Mauve> Dijon, you can search for the only iq stanza wihch doesn’t get a result or error response.
[15:50:11] <Dijon> in the console XMPP does not appears nothing
[15:50:20] <Kev> Link Mauve: That would not be helpful.
[15:50:29] <Kev> Dijon: turn on the console, then log in.
[15:50:44] <Link Mauve> Kev, why? If there is an XML error it shouldn’t be in the XML console, right?
[15:50:58] <Dijon> the account does not log in
[15:51:18] <Kev> Link Mauve Yes, but this is completely independent of iq stanzas with a reply.
[15:51:18] <Dijon> wow...now the console get a long long strings
[15:52:00] <Dijon> where i paste it?
[15:52:04] <Dijon> it's very long..thing
[15:52:25] <Link Mauve> Kev, if the client sends a well-formed iq and doesn’t get a response, it could be that response that is the problem.
[15:52:44] <Kev> Link Mauve: Yes, *could*. Or we could see the full stream and see what the problem really is (probably).
[15:53:09] <Kev> Dijon: can you drop it in a pastebin please?
[15:53:16] <Dijon> how can i do this?
[15:53:35] <Kev> http://pastie.org/ for example.
[15:53:59] <Dijon> ok
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[15:55:32] <Dijon> can be this?
[15:55:33] <Dijon> http://pastebin.com/hh2MpBC9
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[16:11:45] <Dijon> was that the xml?
[16:11:52] <Kev> Sorry.
[16:11:56] <Kev> Yes, that was the XML.
[16:12:05] <Kev> I don't see anything immediately obviously bad about it, though.
[16:12:25] <Dijon> ok
[16:12:45] <Kev> So what are you using to chat in this room at the moment?
[16:13:33] <Dijon> Gajim
[16:14:08] <Kev> K.
[16:14:12] <Dijon> pidgin don't connect, on gajim i saw all my firends connecting and disconnecting
[16:14:33] <Kev> Are you using the latest Pidgin version? That other clients can connect but Pidgin fails is quite quite odd.
[16:14:43] <Kev> I know jabber.org has many Pidgin users.
[16:14:52] <Dijon> yes it's the last pidgin
[16:15:06] <Dijon> gajim connects but at starts it laso gives me the error i said before and at first i got the icon jabber.org red then it connects
[16:16:38] <Dijon> wht i said, the strange thing is that my other account on jabber.org does not any problem.
[16:17:09] <Dijon> I was adding me fiends on a chat room i created as members, that is the only thing i think connects me and the others cant connect
[16:17:31] <Dijon> also i remevo my self as owner of the chat room so i think it's already there..
[16:20:56] <Kev> Oh.
[16:21:26] <Dijon> Now i tried...also it appears no problem connecting with Miranda IM. Bho This i s what happened: I added my friends in a room persistent on conference.jabber.org, then from pidgin i make a command /kick ti an user after them all of we got the problem. I don't know if this can be a cause
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[16:21:50] <Kev> I wonder if Pidgin isn't outputting all the XML it receives.
[16:22:41] <Kev> Anyway. Do you have this room set to autojoin or something?
[16:22:46] <Kev> Oh, which room?
[16:22:59] <Dijon> yes one of my friends have this room on autojoin
[16:23:06] <Kev> But not you?
[16:23:09] <Dijon> Tremec@conference.jabber.org
[16:23:12] <Dijon> no me no
[16:25:19] <Kev> Nothing about that room is jumping out at me.
[16:26:10] <Dijon> :-\
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[16:27:56] <Dijon> the rooms also can be deleted for error i remove all from propriety and administrators :-|
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[16:34:39] <Dijon> now i have to go...i don't know ho to fix this thing....i thank you for the help..
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[17:08:49] <quincyadams57340> гдея?
[17:10:41] <stpeter> can we help you?
[17:12:04] <misha> тут по английски шпрехают
[17:12:55] <quincyadams57340> а чё это за фигня то??
[17:13:21] <Tanguy> Hey, this is an English-speaking channel.
[17:13:24] <Tanguy> !ru
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[17:13:26] <misha> конференция (чятик). пиши по-английский - забанят же..
[17:13:31] <Kev> Tanguy: misha already said that.
[17:13:59] <Tanguy> Okay, I did not know, as I do not read what looks like Rushian.
[17:14:09] <Kev> Me neither, but Google does.
[17:15:19] <quincyadams57340> I need to download a client that, that's looking for
[17:15:40] <Kev> Try http://xmpp.org/xmpp-software/clients/
[17:15:44] <misha> what OS?
[17:15:55] <misha> Windows\Linux\Mobile phone?
[17:16:06] <Kev> You could give http://psi-im.org/ a go for Windows/Linux/Mac.
[17:16:18] <quincyadams57340> Windows7
[17:17:06] <misha> http://www.miranda-im.org/ - traditional russian client :)
[17:19:01] <Tanguy> Gajim is a client written in Python, with most useful features.
[17:19:25] <Tanguy> I also know Pidgin, that lacks features but can use other protocols than XMPP.
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[17:19:45] <Tanguy> And OneTeam, a new nice Jabber client from Process One.
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[17:19:54] <stpeter> so many clients, so little time
[17:20:15] <Kev> One client to rule them all...
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[17:22:02] <cleveland8275> Wrong Jabber(KBot control center)-here is I need to
[17:23:50] <cleveland8275> you know what the control center?
[17:24:25] <misha> no
[17:24:35] <stpeter> hmm
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[17:25:04] <stpeter> I think that is a bot that I disabled yesterday
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[17:25:37] <misha> heh. this bot understand russian? pretty kewl
[17:26:11] <stpeter> it is (or was :) a bot for cheating in an online game
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[17:29:24] <misha> hah, yes, seem it is
[17:29:30] <misha> the game is Dark Orbit
[17:29:53] <stpeter> yes
[17:33:32] <stpeter> I don't like to disable accounts, but sometimes it is necessary
[17:33:59] <misha> I waiting when you will clean up your DB of unused accounts to get some of them :)
[17:34:03] <stpeter> plus this bot had a very big roster -- there are a lot of DarkOrbit cheaters!
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[18:14:36] <misha> this real-time text xep totaly confuse me, who ever need such thing (it's like type notification in MUC's i believe). if you want real time conversation you should use voice/video. and it will benefit deef users much more.
[18:15:57] <stpeter> real-time voice doesn't help deaf people :)
[18:16:22] <stpeter> with video you could use sign language, though
[18:16:51] <misha> deaf people can speak, not very good though
[18:17:23] <misha> and you can /msg them.. although, yes, sign language, is the most convinient, i believe
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[19:17:18] <Tobias> i wonder whether there are already sign-language to text translation tools :)
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[19:28:19] <Tanguy> It might be useful, but the reverse would be completely pointless. :-)
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[19:36:51] <Tobias> yeah..the everse would b
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[21:45:05] <soulangel.h90> هاي
[21:45:47] <soulangel.h90> هاي
[21:46:03] <soulangel.h90> soulangel.h90:
[21:46:26] <soulangel.h90> هاي
[21:46:43] <soulangel.h90> هاي
[21:47:14] <soulangel.h90> الو
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[23:03:12] <Dijon> Hi
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[23:32:34] <Dijon> Kev sorry, didn't find nothing about the problem of this afternoon?
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