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[12:31:29] <brong> I have a question about the from header in stream responses from the server
[12:31:51] <brong> we run one server (chat.messagingengine.com) with hundreds of domains in a single djabberd instance
[12:32:08] <brong> for now it returns "chat.messagingengine.com" as the from, no matter what domain the client requests
[12:32:16] <brong> but it uses the "from" header from the client for authentication
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[12:32:25] <brong> this is breaking for beem
[12:32:50] <brong> and I want to know if it's safe to send the requested domain (ex: "fastmail.fm") as the from
[12:32:57] <brong> though the SSL certificate is for chat.messagingengine.com
[12:37:30] <Kev> brong: the clients will be checking the cert against the service they connected to, not the result of the stream header.
[12:37:40] <Kev> The stream header should always reply with the service the user requested.
[12:37:54] <Kev> (With the exception of when the user requests a service that th eserver doesn't provide)
[12:39:25] <brong> Kev: thanks
[12:39:28] <brong> I'll change it over
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[15:37:44] <deryni> Do any clients support [xep-0158]?
[15:38:11] <Kev> I think there might be support or a patch for tkabber.
[15:38:13] <darkrain_> XEP-0158: CAPTCHA Forms is Standards Track (Draft, 2008-09-03) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0158.html
[15:38:36] <Kev> But as server impementations typically send a message that users can reply to instead, that's ok.
[15:39:02] <jonas> gajim has some support for captchas
[15:39:02] <MattJ> deryni, Gajim does
[15:39:05] <deryni> Right, that's what I was seeing ejabberd do the last few days, but that's not my question.
[15:39:23] <Kev> jonas / MattJ: I didn't know that.
[15:39:37] <MattJ> The Gajim room had problems with spammers :)
[15:39:44] <MattJ> Problem to solution in a week
[15:39:50] <deryni> The <field> elements in 158 don't have a type attribute (which makes them text-single by default, right?). I was just wondering how clients dealt with that.
[15:41:28] <deryni> I mean, obviously that's easy to handle from a technical perspective. It just struck me as odd.
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[16:52:47] <bear> hey - did rfc6120 "go public" today?
[16:53:56] <MattJ> !rfc 6120
[16:54:03] <darkrain_> (09:53:43) darkrain: !rfc 6120 (09:53:43) HAL: darkrain: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6120
[16:54:07] <darkrain_> Doesn't appear to have
[16:54:10] <MattJ> /me slaps darkrain
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[16:54:25] <darkrain_> @rfc 6120
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[16:54:33] <Zash> @rfc 6120
[16:54:33] <Testur> Zash: Sorry, no match
[16:55:06] <bear> wonder what nyco was tweeting about then
[16:56:09] <Zash> The index is probably behind :(
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[16:57:34] <MattJ> New RFCs should be announced via pubsub
[16:57:41] <Zash> +1
[16:57:48] <bear> :)
[16:57:58] <MattJ> but the XSF isn't really a good role model for the IETF in that respect...
[16:58:27] <MattJ> We could fix that with a pubsub.xmpp.org though and mod_pubsub_feeds, at least :)
[16:58:29] <Zash> What about
[16:58:34] <Zash> XEPs?
[16:58:38] <MattJ> Exactly
[16:58:43] <darkrain_> bear: It was assigned the number (and that shows up if you look at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis
[16:59:03] <bear> ah - so it's official just not Official :)
[16:59:41] <Zash> RFC-to-be
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[20:55:51] <pombreda> Howdy :) I would like to edit the Google Summer of page @ http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summer_of_Code_2011
[20:56:44] <pombreda> bear: I have been the org admin @ eclipse for the last few years fwiw, yet this year I would love to be mentor @ xmpp if you need a hand :)
[20:57:29] <pombreda> s/Google Summer of page/Google Summer of Code :P
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[20:59:46] <bear> pombreda - thanks!
[21:00:05] <bear> join the gsoc@ list and send a notice that you would like to help
[21:00:15] <pombreda> bear : will do :P
[21:00:18] <Kev> pombreda: What XMPP project are you from?
[21:00:30] <pombreda> Kev: good question: atm, none
[21:00:44] <Kev> Then probably this year we won't need you to mentor anything :)
[21:00:52] <Kev> Although thanks for the offer.
[21:01:09] <pombreda> Kev: I am a gentle hacker, I commit @ eclipse and Jboss and help a bit @ mozilla historically, but I am not much in Java anymore
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[21:01:43] <pombreda> Kev: and I am especially interested to help on the python side of the house.
[21:01:48] <bear> yea, we do have a requirement of community activity before mentoring
[21:02:17] <Kev> We try to pick mentors from the projects that students will be working on, where possible.
[21:02:45] <pombreda> Kev I started hacking a bit on https://github.com/fritzy/SleekXMPP and kestrel https://github.com/legastero/Kestrel/
[21:03:15] <Kev> We like Sleek :)
[21:03:22] <pombreda> Kev: bear: I comming to XMPP by lust, attarcted bby the possibilities of distributed processing coordinated over xmpp :P
[21:04:34] <pombreda> bear: Kev: that is fair enough ... I do not intend to be a non practicing mentor ;) if there is such a thing... I think in particualr that these projects would be really worth expanding
[21:05:11] <pombreda> kestrel in particualr is the most wacko brilliant thing I have seen in a log time
[21:05:29] <Kev> I've never come across Kestrel in a meaninful way.
[21:06:53] <pombreda> Kev: take a look. if there is a killer app on the server side for xmpp, this would be that kinda thingie imho
[21:07:12] <Kev> Oh, I think that depends very much on what you want to do :)
[21:07:17] <pombreda> Kev: think hadoop over xmpp
[21:07:25] <pombreda> without hadoop :P
[21:07:26] <Kev> I have clicked the link :)
[21:09:05] <pombreda> Kev: bear: give me a few weeks to prove worthy of being a mentor, if you do not mind?
[21:09:19] <pombreda> If I am not, I will be a cheerfull supporter in any case
[21:10:49] <Kev> Well, I've certainly no objection to you hanging around. Mentors will be chosen based upon the student projects we accept in any case.
[21:11:36] <pombreda> Kev: of course :)
[21:11:47] <pombreda> Kev: how many slots do you plan to shoot for?
[21:12:10] <Kev> As many as we have great student applications, ideally :)
[21:12:22] <Kev> A half-dozen or so is a nice number.
[21:12:34] <pombreda> Kev: :) indeed
[21:12:43] <Kev> Last year it was 4, which was a bit scarce. It'll be hard to have more this year than last year, given increased competition.
[21:13:24] <pombreda> Kev: my experience at eclipse is that we always got what we asked for
[21:13:42] <pombreda> including 21 one year
[21:13:47] <Kev> The number of slots you get is proportional to the number of students that apply, so I guess we'll see.
[21:13:50] <pombreda> which was a record and a bit too many
[21:14:11] <Kev> XMPP isn't as sexy as something everyone uses to edit their code (even I use Eclipse for Swift)
[21:14:15] <pombreda> Kev: true, but this is not an aboslute rule
[21:14:29] <pombreda> Kev: ;)
[21:14:29] <MattJ> and XMPP isn't written in JAVA
[21:14:39] <Kev> Smack is.
[21:14:40] <pombreda> MattJ: luckyliy
[21:14:47] <Kev> And $deity help us all.
[21:14:54] <MattJ> Kev, and who wants to work on that? :P
[21:16:00] <pombreda> Kev $deity?
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[21:16:44] <MattJ> stpeter of course :P
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[21:20:40] <pombreda> Kev: getting back to my original question: I would like to edit the Google Summer of page @ http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summer_of_Code_2011 to add an idea
[21:21:20] <MattJ> s/Google Summer of/& code/ :)
[21:23:08] <pombreda> :P
[21:24:14] <Kev> Which project's the idea for? We'd ideally like the projects to add their own ideas in.
[21:24:37] <pombreda> Kev: that would be around kestrel
[21:25:01] <pombreda> Kev: which atm is a single person project
[21:25:31] <MattJ> Never heard of it
[21:26:00] <pombreda> MattJ: https://github.com/legastero/Kestrel/
[21:26:30] <Zash> !date %T
[21:26:38] <MattJ> EWRONGROOM
[21:26:43] <Zash> ah
[21:27:19] <Zash> How sneaky
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[21:32:18] <Kev> Right, so, what Lua do you want executed on !date? :)
[21:34:33] <Zash> The room was a bit closer that the terminal
[21:36:00] <MattJ> Zash, don't trust him, he's building a riddim competitor :)
[21:36:14] <pombreda> Kev: I offered to help in anycase :) fine by me if you do not want of it for now. the offer stand ... ttyl
[21:36:24] <Kev> pombreda: Thanks.
[21:36:29] <Kev> Oh, right, wiki account.
[21:36:35] <Kev> Sorry, I hadn't twigged why you couldn't just add it.
[21:36:47] <Kev> I think I can make those if you're still about.
[21:37:10] <Kev> MattJ: Not so much a competitor - more a complement to ;)
[21:37:38] <Zash> MattJ: *Ghasp*
[21:37:49] <Zash> Kanchil+: Remember your roots!
[21:37:54] <pombreda> Kev: I am
[21:38:05] <Zash> or, brother
[21:38:18] <MattJ> Kev, well !<unknown command> in HAL looks for a function or a string in the sandbox, and executes that with any parameter passed as a string
[21:38:29] <MattJ> so !date %T -> os.date("%T")
[21:38:43] <Kev> Oh, that's smart.
[21:38:50] <MattJ> ah yes, I move os.*, string.*, math.* to the main sandbox
[21:38:56] <bear> !unlink /etc/passwd
[21:38:58] <Kev> I have everything in the main sandbox :)
[21:39:11] <MattJ> *everything*? :)
[21:39:14] <Kev> Well, I lie.
[21:39:19] <Kev> There's one sandbox per Lua file.
[21:39:35] <Kev> pombreda: email?
[21:40:03] <pombreda> Kev: pombredanne@gmail.com
[21:40:56] <Kev> "The password for "Pombreda" has been sent to pombredanne@gmail.com. "
[21:41:46] <Kev> MattJ: I have an !eval (and !evalr) command for running arbitrary stuff in the sandbox (a different sandbox from the other commands), but that requires bot owner rights, and it's not an admin here so can't tell that I have those :)
[21:42:24] <Kev> !evalr return os.date("%T") 21:42:04
[21:42:37] <MattJ> :)
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[21:52:01] <pombreda> Kev: thx to $deity :P
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