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[16:20:23] <elias1989> Hi everyone. Is it a conference of Java developers? Just any Java programming or mainly Jabber/XMPP?
[16:20:48] <Tobias> not java
[16:20:56] <Tobias> mainly Jabber/XMPP
[16:21:13] <elias1989> Oh, does JDev stand for Jabber development? I see )
[16:21:14] <Tobias> but we're happy to answer question related to Jabber/XMPP even if Java is involved :P
[16:21:22] <Tobias> right..jabber development
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[16:26:13] <elias1989> Well, there is a snag with the QIP client. I'm registered on the jabber.ru server. (I'm Russian). When I choose "Enter a conference" (or whatever it sounds like in the English version), it provides the list of all accessible conferences ONLY on the jabber.ru server. But if I choose another one, jabber.org, for instance, it does not provide the list automatically...
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[16:27:50] <Tobias> elias1989: i don't know what qip does there but other clients support querying the other conference server and ask for server list
[16:29:00] <MattJ_> I think the list on jabber.org is too large, so jabber.ru blocks it
[16:29:13] <jonas> elias1989, I don't get a list of conferences from jabber.org's conference server as well, but I get from most other servers (like jabber.no, jabber.se, jabber.dk. jabber.fr)
[16:29:31] <elias1989> Oh, that's a good idea )
[16:29:40] <Kev> jonas: Your server is probably blocking the stanza as well.
[16:29:46] <jonas> so jabber.org actually replies with something?
[16:29:51] <Kev> Oh yes, certainly.
[16:29:59] <elias1989> Haven't tried to check them yet.
[16:30:19] <Tobias> wasn't there a widely unimplemented spec to retrieve huge disco results in pieces? :D
[16:30:31] <Kev> Yes, it's part of -0030, IIRC.
[16:30:59] <Tobias> ah...i thought of Result Set Management...but maybe that's for something else
[16:31:28] <Kev> Sure, RSM could be used.
[16:32:04] <elias1989> Yeah, jonas, MattJ_, that seems right, thanks a lot. jabber.no at least works )
[16:32:05] <Kev> Anyway, I've just asked the lovely new Join Room dialog in Swift to look at jabber.org to find me a room, and it got the list fine from my server.
[16:33:09] <jonas> what's your max stanza size?
[16:33:23] <Kev> Large.
[16:33:27] <elias1989> Perhaps QIP doesn't support too large conference lists.
[16:34:40] <Kev> It's much more likely to be that your server is just dropping the stanza.
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[19:43:49] <Tobias> so why got XEP-0209 deferred? no implementations of it, no interest, wrong solution to the problem?
[19:44:12] <MattJ_> !xep 209
[19:44:13] <Kanchil> MattJ_: XEP-0209: Metacontacts is Standards Track (Deferred, 2007-04-10) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0209.html
[19:44:25] <MattJ_> Ah, I'll leave that for Kev to explain ;)
[19:45:09] <Kev> Tobias: Lack of enthusiasm for the topic.
[19:45:21] <Tobias> i mean now that there are transports for XMPP that are quite stable it could become quite useful
[19:45:51] <Kev> I admit that I'm starting to see merit in the suggested approach of 'name them the same'.
[19:46:28] <Tobias> well..it's a start naming them the same...and if one does the the server could auto-create meta contacts
[19:46:44] <Tobias> but there's no benefit of that without client support
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[19:50:57] <deryni> If you use the same name then the name is your metacontact and your client can just support that.
[19:51:57] <Tobias> deryni: you mean like pidgin, does?
[19:54:18] <deryni> Sort of, yeah.
[19:55:07] <Tobias> hmm....
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[19:57:39] <Tobias> wondering if specifying usage preference of the inner contacts...but maybe it's enough to leave it up to the client in a general preference...like use jabber, then msn.*, then icq.*, etc.
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