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[06:36:19] <Florian Jensen> morning all
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[12:37:58] <will.thompson> btw. has anyone done PEP on link-local XMPP, out of interest?
[12:39:04] <Fritzy> so full jid pep?
[12:39:38] <will.thompson> well, i mean, including +notify features in your caps (the hash of which is advertised on mDNS)
[12:40:03] <will.thompson> monitoring others on the network's caps, and pushing updates to them as appropriate. so basically each link-local client would be its own pep service
[12:41:59] <Fritzy> right, that's what I meant
[12:42:14] <Fritzy> that sounds reasonable
[12:42:34] <will.thompson> nice to hear this isn't a crazy idea :)
[12:43:25] <Fritzy> many xmpp libs are generic (server and client potentially, because why not?) so you get some pubsub-service in clients sometimes.
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[12:44:10] <wjt> yep, we use bits of our xmpp library in both
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[13:13:42] <MattJ> wjt: Tobias and I were discussing that yesterday
[13:13:47] <MattJ> Sensible if you ask me
[13:14:40] <wjt> MattJ: awesome. we'll be implementing it soon :)
[13:14:53] <MattJ> Yay
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[17:26:56] <akrherz> howdy, I was curious within MUC if there was a mechanism for read-only lurking. Such that a user could see the MUC conversation, but their presence was not broadcasted to the room
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[17:32:48] <louiz’> notafaik
[17:33:29] <akrherz> thanks, that is my impression thus far too, but figured I'd check with the experts :)
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[18:08:22] <deryni> The xep has a provision for not broadcasting presence from all users but I don't know if anyone actually supports it (muc#roomconfig_presencebroadcast).
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[18:10:21] <akrherz> hello again deryni :) thanks, checking into that
[18:11:19] <deryni> Hi. How've things been?
[18:11:42] <akrherz> great, 8,000 pidgin users strong :)
[18:12:08] <deryni> Very nice.
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[18:32:02] <akrherz> interesting, visitor role appears to be what I want, but specifying the role on joining the room does not appear doable.
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[18:50:17] <akrherz> ooo, figured it out, specifying x->item->role visitor on initial presence does work.
[18:50:31] <deryni> You would want visitor in a room that didn't broadcast visitor presence, but like I said I don't know if anyone actually does that.
[18:50:32] <deryni> It does?
[18:50:44] <deryni> Role is a room-assigned thing it isn't something you specify.
[18:50:46] <akrherz> openfire actually supports it, gasp
[18:51:21] <akrherz> or perhaps this is a neat bug with openfire, hehe
[18:53:05] <akrherz> http://www.fpaste.org/QCUU/ is what worked
[18:57:50] <deryni> Worked in what sense? That was broadcast to the other users and is what you got back for yourself? What version of openfire?
[18:58:37] <akrherz> trunk openfire. It worked in the sense of I turned off presence broadcast for vistors, so the user got to see room content without other users seeing them join
[18:58:52] <deryni> Ah.
[18:59:09] <akrherz> read-only, non-obtrusive lurking. prefect :)
[18:59:11] <deryni> But with a normal presence you joined with some other role and it was broadcast?
[18:59:16] <akrherz> yes
[18:59:21] <deryni> Interesting.
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[19:11:02] <darkrain_> akrherz: What happens if you replace "visitor" with "moderator"?
[19:11:14] <darkrain_> (Sorry, just have to ask)
[19:11:25] <deryni> Heh.
[19:11:36] <akrherz> hi darkrain_ : I was going to try that shortly :)
[19:13:20] <darkrain_> I eagerly await the results, although I'm not sure which result I'm more hoping for.
[19:15:14] <akrherz> FAIL, whew
[19:15:42] <darkrain_> Awww :(
[19:15:47] <deryni> Fails how?
[19:19:19] <akrherz> I get back an auth error
[19:20:09] <darkrain_> Awww :(
[19:21:15] <deryni> Role isn't an element.
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[21:37:02] <nolan> I keep finding myself wanting to implement components with wildcard domains (I.e. where the component domain can have any number of subdomains.) Has anyone considered extending the component spec to allow for that?
[21:37:16] <nolan> Guessing it'd have to be something permitted by the server on a component-by-component basis.
[21:38:31] <nolan> Failing that, thoughts on how to run an XMPP server and another server using the S2S port on the same machine for testing?
[21:38:46] <darkrain_> Use a second s2s port?
[21:39:04] <darkrain_> I use 8269 for my multi-domain setup on my desktop.
[21:39:09] <darkrain_> (in addition to 5269)
[21:39:14] <nolan> How do you refer to JIDs on that other server then?
[21:41:19] <darkrain_> One server hosts localhost, the other hosts durkon.local (or something to that effect)
[21:42:14] <nolan> And you set up SRV records?
[21:42:58] <nolan> I don't really understand MDNS so don't even know if that makes sense in that context.
[21:43:01] <darkrain_> For that, I'm actually using Prosody's mod_srvinjection, since I don't have split horizon DNS. If I were to set up a test server on my actual VPS, I'd use SRV records for it, yes.
[21:43:30] <nolan> Ah, I'll look at srvinjection then. Thanks.
[21:43:55] <darkrain_> I think I'm actually a little unclear on what you're trying to do with the second server (and how it relates to wildcard components)
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[21:44:25] <nolan> Since I can't do subdomain.component.im, I'll have to do subdomain.s2s.im.
[21:44:51] <darkrain_> Why can't you do "subdomain.component.im"?
[21:45:06] <nolan> And just hope that the subset of things I want to do is limited enough such that this won't be *too* painful.
[21:45:44] <nolan> I don't think component subdomains are routable like that--at least, they weren't when last I tried a couple years ago.
[21:46:02] <darkrain_> routable like what? (again, I think I'm unclear on what you're actually about to set up :/)
[21:46:12] <nolan> IIRC you own anynode@component.im but not sub.component.im or subJIDs thereof.
[21:46:39] <darkrain_> Oh, yes, that traffic is not sent to the component.
[21:47:02] <nolan> It's a microblogging-to-buddycloud bridge that can work with arbitrarily-named accounts (I.e. twitter.microchannels.net, identica.microchannels.net, mycrazilynamedaccount.microchannels.net)
[21:47:19] <nolan> And you can have sometwitteruser@twitter.microchannels.net.
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