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[12:24:39] <gigam> who knows good books about history of operating system?
[12:24:55] <gigam> *operating systems
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[13:09:52] <jonkri> according to "rfc2831: digest sasl mechanism": "If "charset=UTF-8" is present, and all the characters of __either__ "username-value"
or "passwd" are in the ISO 8859-1 character set, then it must be converted to ISO 8859-1 before being hashed."... am i correct
to interpret this as that "username-value" should be converted if it's in the iso 8859-1 charset and that "password-value"
should be converted if it's in the iso 8859-1 charset, and that these two convertions are independent of each other? (that
there are situations where only one of them are converted)
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[15:18:54] <louiz’> Is there a URI-like syntaxe to point to a given pubsub node?
[15:19:20] <louiz’> For example, xmpp://pubsub.example.com/my-blog-node/ or something?
[15:20:04] <louiz’> And when opening this URI with a pubsub-enabled XMPP client, it will open an interface or whatever, listing the items at this
node, or something like that.
[15:20:13] <rtreffer> there should be IMHO...
[15:20:25] <louiz’> I'll quickly check XEP 0060
[15:21:03] <Simon Tennant> well at buddycloud we try to keep it simpler. Your blog is name@server.com. The app then knows which nodes to find the relevent
bits on.
[15:21:34] <louiz’> Yes, but that's not a general case.
[15:22:10] <louiz’> If I want to say "my rss feed for this blog is also replicated on the pubsub node xmpp://pubsub.example.com/blabla/", this
should be possible
[15:22:14] <rtreffer> xmpp://pubsub.example.com/my-blog-node/?type=pubsub&payload=atom would be what I would expect as URI (pretty much how mailto:
with subject / message works)
[15:22:20] <Simon Tennant> my point is: there isn't a general case.
[15:22:34] <louiz’> Then that's missing
[15:22:59] <louiz’> rtreffer, seems OK to me
[15:23:20] <louiz’> Oh, well, that seems to exist already :)
[15:23:36] <louiz’> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#impl-uri :)
[15:23:45] <Kev> louiz’: I believe you want xmpp: not xmpp://
[15:23:53] <Kev> They're both valid, but have different meanings.
[15:24:14] <louiz’> Ah ? What's the difference?
[15:24:23] <louiz’> And yes, that's xmpp: in the XEP
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[15:25:29] <Kev> I believe xmpp: is giving you an address to something, and xmpp:// is telling you to connect to that service, but I'm never
sure without checking.
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[15:26:34] <louiz’> ok, the rfc says:
Thus, the
following XMPP IRI/URI indicates to authenticate as
"guest@example.com":
xmpp://guest@example.com
[15:27:12] <louiz’> While xmpp: only point to it but does not indicates to authenticate
[15:28:06] <Kev> Right, so xmpp://kev@me.com means to connect as kev@me.com, while xmpp:kev@me.com means to perform some action on kev@me.com
(and there are defined actions like add, start chat, join muc, etc.)
[15:28:18] <louiz’> yes
[15:28:31] <louiz’> with '?join' for example, etc
[15:29:06] <Kev> Yes.
[15:29:20] <louiz’> Simon Tennant, the protocol you're using for microblogging (at buddycloud), do you intend to make it standardized (as an XEP),
one day?
[15:29:56] <louiz’> Because I think the current one (experimental, or even deferred) is very broken, and noone seems to be working on it
[15:30:04] <Simon Tennant> louiz. Yes. Most definitely.
[15:30:20] <louiz’> When? :p
[15:30:46] <Simon Tennant> We are collecting all the stanza bits on bits on open.buddycloud.com, and once we get a working web client (about 2 weeks)
we'll spend some time writing a proto-xep.
[15:31:01] <louiz’> ok :)
[15:31:25] <louiz’> I'll be glad to implement this XEP once it is "usable"
[15:32:02] <Simon Tennant> good to hear! I'm a bit of a fan of "test it with real users first and then write a XEP".
[15:33:14] <Simon Tennant> for machine to machine type systems "write the XEP and make it work" works. But users are tricky. For example we had lots
of problems with spammers in pre-federated bc.
[15:33:28] <louiz’> or "write an XEP, implement it and fix the XEP according to the tests" :p
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[15:38:57] <Simon Tennant> it's not much right now but if you want, this stuff will be mosty XEP-ified and then probably ripped apart by the community:
http://open.buddycloud.com/api The idea is that we keep updating on https://github.com/astro/channels-xep
[15:39:03] <Simon Tennant> then submit
[15:40:29] <louiz’> ok thanks
[15:42:29] <Simon Tennant> louiz, what are you working on or planning to work on?
[15:44:34] <louiz’> I'm just writing an XMPP client (poezio). I'm planning to write a pubsub extension for it. And ideally, write to our microblog
directly from it (and to comment or answer to the microblog of our contacts).
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[16:16:41] <Simon Tennant> poezio looks useful. Nice when coupled with a gnu-screen session.
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