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[13:03:36] <wjt> I noticed today that XEP-0126 doesn't actually spell out that enabling the privacy list it suggests will make you part every MUC you're in
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[13:34:04] <ralphm> wtj: nice
[13:34:19] <wjt> nor does my favourite invisibility xep, 0186
[13:35:00] <wjt> in fact 0186 has the interesting property that your server is required to broadcast <presence type='unavailable'/> for you to everyone, including the MUCs you're in
[13:35:03] <ralphm> invisible is invisible
[13:35:05] <ralphm> :-)
[13:35:09] <wjt> but then once you *are* invisible it's required to relay directed presence you send
[13:35:14] <wjt> so you can *join* MUCs while invisible
[13:35:20] <wjt> but not remain in them when you *turn* invisible
[13:35:27] <ralphm> hm
[13:36:05] <ralphm> could you come up with some altered text to accomodate this? I'm sure Peter would be happy to have that included
[13:36:31] <wjt> i think 0126 basically breaks sending directed presence, which breaks the stuff we have kicking around to ask people to "decloak" (ie send you directed presence) so you can get their caps and then jingle call them.
[13:40:50] <wjt> ralphm: i'm still thinking about how exactly it should work. i basically think you should be able to stay in MUCs while turning invisible
[13:42:52] <ralphm> that would basically mean that all existing directed presence would continue to be
[13:43:19] <wjt> yeah. that doesn't seem disastrous to me
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[14:35:00] <Bimsy> Wotcher Tiffy
[14:35:13] <TiffyBiffy> Ooo! Hi Bimsy xxx
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