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[08:09:56] <chriscore> hi
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[08:16:05] <atle> hi
[08:16:12] <chriscore> waz up ?
[08:16:17] <atle> dunno
[08:16:23] <chriscore> :)
[08:17:12] <chriscore> i like the sunshine outside :D
[08:17:13] <atle> im new to this jabber ting so dont know how it work
[08:17:21] <chriscore> oh me2
[08:17:25] <atle> k
[08:17:29] <chriscore> i test the chat room function :D
[08:17:53] <atle> me t2
[08:18:02] <atle> 2
[08:18:16] <chriscore> :D
[08:18:21] <atle> well no sunshine her snowing
[08:18:56] <chriscore> :P
[08:19:31] <atle> :-&
[08:21:52] <atle> 123 123
[08:21:58] <chriscore> 456 456 :P
[08:22:03] <atle> jepp
[08:22:18] <atle> where from cris
[08:22:23] <chriscore> ger
[08:22:36] <atle> ger ? is germeny ?
[08:22:40] <chriscore> yes
[08:22:43] <atle> k
[08:22:47] <chriscore> u?
[08:22:47] <atle> Norway her
[08:22:50] <chriscore> cool
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[08:25:31] <atle> why is some people green and some are gra
[08:25:39] <chriscore> i dont know
[08:25:58] <atle> are im green
[08:26:22] <atle> cnt see may self in people list
[08:28:14] <atle> Whats happend her
[08:28:19] <chriscore> ?
[08:28:34] <atle> can u see my video cris ?
[08:28:40] <chriscore> no
[08:28:44] <atle> k
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[08:31:20] <chriscore> welcome back :)
[08:31:24] <atle> ty
[08:31:54] <chriscore> which server do u use 2 connect 2 jabber ?
[08:32:12] <atle> im using may own mac server
[08:32:19] <chriscore> cool
[08:32:22] <chriscore> i use jabber.ccc.de
[08:32:23] <chriscore> :D
[08:32:29] <chriscore> but i leave now .. byebye
[08:32:38] <atle> but dont know what t use it for
[08:32:40] <atle> bye
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[08:36:36] <atle> hello
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[08:55:03] <atle> hello
[08:55:10] <atle> anyone
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[13:16:06] <Mes> barev
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[13:35:35] <quincyadams25180> hi+
[13:37:16] <quincyadams25180> i try created jabber server in localhost, but i have not could, someone can help me?
[13:37:43] <louiz’> which server?
[13:37:56] <quincyadams25180> local machine
[13:38:11] <louiz’> which Software?
[13:38:25] <quincyadams25180> ubuntu
[13:38:36] <louiz’> prosody, ejabberd, openfire, jabberd...?
[13:38:42] <quincyadams25180> jabberd2
[13:39:08] <quincyadams25180> Already I have installed it, but not idea as continuing
[13:40:35] <louiz’> Sorry, I don't know this server
[13:41:20] <quincyadams25180> ?
[13:41:55] <quincyadams25180> I have not explained correctly
[13:42:39] <louiz’> No no, I'm just not familiar with this software, and I cannot help you
[13:43:58] <quincyadams25180> one moment
[13:45:05] <quincyadams25180> I have a virtual installed machine, with ubuntu (LINUX), and want to form there a jabber server, to be able to handle a chat there, do I explain?
[13:45:37] <quincyadams25180> How do you make it you?
[13:46:21] <louiz’> I installed prosody
[13:46:56] <quincyadams25180> In linux?
[13:47:00] <louiz’> Yes
[13:47:32] <quincyadams25180> There can I create local accounts and handle the servant of chat?
[13:47:41] <quincyadams25180> server of chat
[13:47:45] <quincyadams25180> ?
[13:47:56] <louiz’> yes
[13:48:29] <quincyadams25180> Already I am installing it
[13:51:13] <quincyadams25180> he forgives the inconvenience is that new in linux, and my work with the console is terrible, already I installed it, what is it necessary to to do then?
[13:53:19] <louiz’> you need to follow the documentation at http://prosody.im/doc/configure
[13:54:51] <quincyadams25180> gracias
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[15:39:04] <obama43803> can someone help me here pls
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[18:54:52] <jmika@jabber.org> hi
[18:55:45] <jmika@jabber.org> someone could help me ?
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[18:57:00] <jmika@jabber.org> no ?
[18:57:12] <stpeter> hi
[18:57:15] <stpeter> what is the problem?
[18:58:27] <jmika@jabber.org> It's in empathy
[18:58:57] <jmika@jabber.org> I can't see the people present in a discussion
[18:58:59] <stpeter> ok
[18:59:07] <stpeter> I admit that I have never used Empathy
[18:59:42] <jmika@jabber.org> When I installed empathy, I can see the people present
[18:59:48] <jmika@jabber.org> but now i can't
[18:59:56] <misha> oh, jmika@jabber.org you have very broken client, it sends to whole room notification that you're typing
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[19:00:09] <stpeter> misha: why is that bad?
[19:00:17] <stpeter> in some chatrooms I think it could be useful :)
[19:00:38] <stpeter> but perhaps not here
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[19:01:45] <jmika@jabber.org> I don't understand
[19:02:42] <stpeter> jmika@jabber.org: ignore misha :)
[19:02:53] <jmika@jabber.org> ok
[19:03:19] <stpeter> jmika@jabber.org: have you tested with another client? this sounds like a bug in Empathy, so I suggest that you report this bug to the Empathy developers
[19:03:32] <stpeter> (does anyone know if the Empathy guys have a chatroom?)
[19:03:45] <jmika@jabber.org> for my problem, I think that is after installing a theme
[19:03:53] <Tobias> on that legacy protocol somewhere i guess
[19:04:01] <stpeter> haha
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[19:06:00] <jmika@jabber.org> I will try with an another client
[19:06:48] <stpeter> ok
[19:07:16] <misha> stpeter: it's bad because i see information about which I don't care, and probably whole system of typing notification was invented for end2end conversation (at least i think so :))
[19:07:27] <jmika@jabber.org> Which you used ?
[19:07:30] <stpeter> misha: mostly yes
[19:07:33] <stpeter> jmika@jabber.org: I use Psi
[19:07:50] <jmika@jabber.org> ok I will try with Psi
[19:08:02] <stpeter> misha: sometimes I would find it helpful in XMPP Council meetings
[19:08:09] <stpeter> jmika@jabber.org: what operating system do you use?
[19:08:45] <misha> hm, yeah, I think in such situation it would be useful. like when you call for additional opinions or smth
[19:10:30] <stpeter> misha: so I think that *sometimes* it would be helpful in groupchat, but only for example if you are having a real meeting -- regular chit-chat such as we have here does not justify composing indicators IMHO
[19:10:44] <misha> yeap
[19:10:57] <misha> make sense
[19:12:25] <jmika@jabber.org> stpeter: I used ArchLinux
[19:12:52] <stpeter> misha: perhaps we need a chatroom option to allow/disallow chat state notifications -- I'll add something about that in the XEP-0045 revisions, perhaps
[19:13:01] <stpeter> jmika@jabber.org: ok, Psi should work for you
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[19:14:09] <jmika> I am in psi and it's work
[19:14:29] <jmika> I can see the people who are in the discussion
[19:14:44] <stpeter> yay!
[19:14:54] <stpeter> now go file that bug report with the Empathy team :)
[19:14:56] <jmika> It's work in psi but don''t with empathy
[19:15:19] <jmika> Does Psi is better than empathy
[19:15:34] <stpeter> not sure
[19:15:39] <stpeter> I've never used Empathy
[19:15:41] <stpeter> so I can't compare
[19:15:45] <stpeter> maybe I'll try it, though
[19:16:07] <jmika> How can i report the bug ?
[19:16:35] <misha> stpeter: I think it should be in client options, not in MUC
[19:16:42] <stpeter> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=empathy
[19:17:06] <stpeter> misha: I'm not sure yet -- it might be appropriate in both
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[19:19:56] <misha> stpeter: hmm, don't think so.. if be honest, i feel that xmpp is overloaded and overcomplicated (I'm sorry to say that to the one of the primary protocol developer, but maybe you can enlighten me, because i can't find the answear)
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[19:20:59] <misha> i have read one quote from adblock (ff ext) developer - it's good when you add options and add freedom of choice, but it's bad when you add options and make user to do a choose between options which he don't care about (roughly quoting)
[19:22:27] <stpeter> misha: all protocols start out very simple, and then people want to add complexity over time because they have more and more use cases
[19:22:28] <misha> for example, xmpp has different methods of connect - like plain text, ssl, starttls. it has number methods of auth, like plain text, scram, i bet there is md5 logins also
[19:23:23] <misha> it has different types of file transfer, like inband, outofband, jingle, socks5, it now has jingle support..
[19:24:35] <misha> for example in icq we have only 1 file transport and 1 login method, and users don't care about it. they just use it
[19:25:07] <misha> but when users see about different methods like ibb, or jingle (tkabber even know about JidLink!) - it scares them :\
[19:25:27] <misha> okay, just wanted to say it :)
[19:25:37] <stpeter> well, *users* shouldn't have to care about different authentication methods, different file transfer methods, etc. -- if the client developers show options about that, then it's a client UI issue
[19:26:01] <stpeter> there is no good reason to expose protocol complexity in a client UI
[19:26:35] <stpeter> and sometimes that complexity is needed -- e.g., different methods for file transfer or voice calling because of NATs and firewalls
[19:26:58] <misha> yeah, but how can developers know if server understand SSL or TLS logins? if standard would say 'TLS logins with plain text auth is required, no exception' - then developers even WILL NOT code other methods
[19:27:21] <niekie> Hey everyone :)
[19:27:42] <misha> test
[19:27:46] <misha> yeah, but how can developers know if server understand SSL or TLS logins? if standard would say 'TLS logins with plain text auth is required, no exception' - then developers even WILL NOT code other methods
[19:27:55] <misha> heh, seem one message got missed
[19:28:02] <niekie> Hrm, I got it.
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[19:28:57] <misha> stpeter: does rfc says something about mandatory secure login methods? or lowest common determinator is plain/plain ?
[19:31:11] <stpeter> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-22#section-13.8
[19:31:17] <stpeter> we had some fun debates about that
[19:31:37] <misha> excellent!
[19:31:54] <misha> but there was no such mandatory-to-implement in old rfc, right?
[19:31:56] <stpeter> brb, need to heat up some lunch
[19:32:02] <misha> sure, be well!
[19:32:38] <stpeter> the old RFC said: 14.7. Mandatory-to-Implement Technologies At a minimum, all implementations MUST support the following mechanisms: for authentication: the SASL [DIGEST‑MD5] (Leach, P. and C. Newman, “Using Digest Authentication as a SASL Mechanism,” May 2000.) mechanism for confidentiality: TLS (using the TLS_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA cipher) for both: TLS plus SASL EXTERNAL(using the TLS_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA cipher supporting client-side certificates)
[19:32:50] <stpeter> see http://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc3920.html#security and scroll down a bi
[19:32:51] <stpeter> bit
[19:33:08] <stpeter> however, DIGEST-MD5 is now deprecated by the IETF
[19:33:14] <stpeter> secuity technologies change and improve :)
[19:33:22] <misha> hehe, okay, bon appetit
[19:33:31] <stpeter> at least, we hope that they improve
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[19:34:23] <Lastwebpage> misha you forget one thing
[19:34:53] <misha> what/
[19:36:01] <stpeter> misha: I don't like complexity either....
[19:36:03] <Lastwebpage> most of the clients are open source, this makes worse the problem... :|
[19:36:04] <stpeter> anyway, brb
[19:38:13] <Lastwebpage> give a protocol ONE options, you will find always one user who need it and one developer who implement it as an option, even thought 99,9% of all other client users think WTH???
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[21:56:02] <Blackfishka> *HI*
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