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[11:12:16] <امير> :-)
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[11:13:14] <امير> www.nimbuzz.4umer.com
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[11:13:49] <امير> » [15:13] Kevmin has joined the channel as moderator and owner Hi :-)
[11:14:05] <امير> www.nimbuzz.4umer.com
[11:14:08] <Kevmin> Please don't spam the channel with links.
[11:14:24] <امير> Kevmin: ok
[11:14:32] <امير> Kevmin: :-S
[11:15:01] <امير> www.nimbuzz.4umer.com :-|
[11:15:36] <امير> » Kevmin> Please don't spam the channel with links. 8-|
[11:15:54] <امير> Fuck arab
[11:15:59] <امير> :-)
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[11:16:31] <امير> :-)
[11:16:50] <امير> *GIRL CRY*
[11:17:25] <امير> www.nimbuzz.4umer.com
[11:17:34] <امير> www.nimbuzz.4umer.com
[11:17:42] <امير> www.nimbuzz.4umer.com
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[11:23:28] <TAREF89> HELLO
[11:24:03] <TAREF89> WHERE ARE YOU
[11:24:07] <Kev> We're here.
[11:24:54] <TAREF89> GOod morring
[11:29:21] <Kev> Hello. What do you need help with?
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[12:02:37] <naw> uh, RTL writing looks weird
[12:03:17] <naw> at least the fact that psi puts it on the right part of the screen
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[17:08:45] <davbor7> Hi, new to jabber and IM in general. From stuff I've read, I thought that I could IM my friends on MSN/Yahoo/etc via a Jabber server without me requiring an account on those services. Now that I'm trying to do it, I'm finding it very difficult to achieve. My eyes have gone numb from searching for help and reading various pages, but none appear to have the magic solution. Is it even possible to do? Or am I wasting my time without my own MSN, Yahoo, etc accounts? TIA.
[17:09:46] <louiz’> No you cannot.
[17:11:54] <davbor7> OK thanks :-( Can you explain why Jabber services have gateways into MSN etc, when a large number of clients directly support multiple protocols anyway? Why bother going through a gateway, when I can just create my own MSN account and add it to my client.
[17:12:22] <louiz’> Because you just need an XMPP, that way.
[17:15:16] <davbor7> Hmmm, not all it's cracked up to be this IM lark. I'd have thought we could all talk to each other no matter what service we use... like email I guess... but I suppose the big boys want everyone on their server. Thanks for your help.
[17:16:12] <louiz’> yeah, that’s what Jabber (XMPP) is all about. You can talk with anyone, no matter what service we use.
[17:18:15] <davbor7> Anyone on Jabber, that is. :) Trying to convince my friends to ditch their "trusty" MSN and Yahoo, and especially Facebook, is a complete waste of time.
[17:18:52] <louiz’> You’re unlucky :(
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[17:26:49] <misha> facebook is use xmpp. but it's inside-only xmpp, iirc
[17:27:30] <louiz’> So it’s not Jabber, and this sucks :p
[17:27:46] <misha> well, I bet there is transports inside FB
[17:28:11] <misha> so you can chat with your friends and they can chat with you
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[17:32:41] <davbor7> Only if you have a facebook account, which I don't. ;)
[17:33:11] <louiz’> Yes. That would be the same issue as MSN/Yahoo/etc
[17:37:35] <davbor7> Yeah, as I'm rapidly learning! These proprietary systems suck.
[17:37:50] <louiz’> yes
[17:42:06] <davbor7> Thanks for you help louiz. Have a good weekend.
[17:42:13] <louiz’> you too ;)
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[17:44:54] <Kev> For what it's worth, Facebook isn't proprietary, it's 'just' not federated.
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[17:45:59] <louiz’> Well, what is the definition of "proprietary" when talking about a Service?
[17:46:07] <Kev> louiz’: Non-standard.
[17:46:19] <louiz’> Ah. Then yes, that’s not proprietary
[17:46:44] <Kev> I guess it depends what you mean.
[17:46:57] <Kev> It's probably a proprietary service, but it's not a proprietary protocol :)
[17:47:09] <louiz’> But that’s proprietary in the sense “Facebook owns the whole network”
[17:47:25] <Kev> Sure.
[17:47:43] <Link Mauve> Even if they don’t support basic things of the protocol, like transmitting iq? (Or perhaps that has changed?)
[17:47:55] <Kev> They don't do iqs?
[17:48:06] <Kev> How peculiar. That would be non-standard, yes :)
[17:48:10] <Link Mauve> IIRC, they transmits only messages between users.
[17:48:12] <Kev> Anyway, I'm out, byes :)
[17:48:18] <louiz’> How do you know?
[17:48:21] <louiz’> bye
[17:48:27] <Link Mauve> And presence, but with two states (online/offline).
[17:48:31] <Link Mauve> Bye Kev.
[17:48:41] <louiz’> What are your sources?
[17:49:04] <misha> if they go with proper xmpp support it would be awesome invetement into jabber community i think
[17:49:05] <Link Mauve> louiz’, some people were playing with it when facebook opened their c2s, and told me that sad story.
[17:49:10] <louiz’> k
[17:49:26] <misha> investement*
[17:49:31] <louiz’> misha, if they respect the RFCs and open their s2s, then yes.
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[18:06:41] <pierce8450> hi
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[19:21:03] <naw> afaik, what facebook has is an xmpp interface to their internal service
[19:26:11] <Lastwebpage> http://www.facebook.com/sitetour/chat.php
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[22:44:51] <Mortis> hm, hello..
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[22:49:16] <Mortis> heh
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[22:49:48] <Mortis> people join, but none speak...
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