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[01:40:47] <ابن حماه> هاي
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[08:17:53] <linjiangfu5566@jabber.org> dfdf
[08:18:03] <linjiangfu5566@jabber.org> ';
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[11:01:40] <Hym> Finally found a good room on jabber.org,can anyone tell me where are the admins?
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[11:03:47] <Hym> Tobias: hi
[11:04:30] <Tobias> what do you need them for?
[11:05:27] <Hym> Tobias: I want a room on jabber.org and it is already taken but empty.
[11:05:42] <Tobias> aha
[11:05:56] <Tobias> but if it's emtpy why not just join it?
[11:06:29] <Hym> I am admin of server jabber.com..but I have'nt added conference system on it.
[11:06:58] <Hym> Tobias: can't join it,need owner privilage...
[11:07:26] <Tobias> then you could try another time in this room to contact an admin
[11:08:06] <Hym> Tobias: any other room on this server? Or can you give me their jid?
[11:08:53] <Tobias> http://www.jabber.org/get-help/
[11:09:09] <Hym> Tobias: ok I will wait for them,where are you from?
[11:09:35] <Tobias> europe
[11:10:23] <Hym> I'm from London.
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[15:03:25] <harrison2263> Hello
[15:05:02] <harrison2263> i've a question, do you need some new server(s) in your network?
[15:07:20] <Hym> harrison2263: which servers? Name?
[15:08:27] <harrison2263> we have 3 private servers with people from xUSSR
[15:09:27] <harrison2263> servers location is ukraine, moldova and russia
[15:10:30] <harrison2263> what are conditions to add server in your network?
[15:11:09] <harrison2263> how people can be a part of team yours network?
[15:13:06] <Hym> ask admin of servers when they will come...I think they will say 'no'
[15:13:24] <Hym> By the way what your servers name?
[15:15:00] <harrison2263> Why no? You don't to expand the network and team? or only network...
[15:16:19] <harrison2263> with IRC networks was easier...
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[17:50:17] <PaulFertser> Hey
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[18:16:51] <mebs> PaulFertser: were you unable to connect too?
[18:17:04] <dcj> well, i was
[18:17:18] <PaulFertser> mebs: sure, and i've reported to Kev already, along with traceroute log. He's investigating.
[18:17:21] <dcj> happened quite frequently in the past months
[18:18:00] <PaulFertser> I hope he managed to grasp what's happening this time.
[18:19:08] <mebs> do you think that it is problem with network connection?
[18:19:33] <roosevelt39503> Hello! A friend of mine and me, both registered at jabber.org, experience more and more disconnections these days. Does that happen to someone else as well?
[18:20:41] <PaulFertser> mebs: he says the network activity suddenly stops, so he suspected it's not reachable at all during the outages, but the testing seem to show icmp, udp and tcp comes through all right (at least the way traceroute does it).
[18:20:52] <PaulFertser> roosevelt39503: yep, but this's being worked on.
[18:21:17] <mebs> PaulFertser: thanks for info
[18:21:19] <roosevelt39503> PaulFertser okay, great to hear that :)
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[20:05:42] <ouid> Hello, I'm encountering some problems with connection, sometimes client says: Connection refused. Is it due to the server problems or there are issues on my side?
[20:07:46] <PaulFertser> ouid: there were issues with jabber.org, yes.
[20:09:09] <ouid> Oh, I see, thanks, I have another question: what are the settings for connecting with SSL encryption? Because now kopete can connect only with plain-text type of connection.
[20:10:49] <PaulFertser> ouid: you should be using ``starttls'' i think, i.e. you should connect to 5222 tcp port as usual, then your client should do starttls to negotiate tls/ssl for this connection. Then you can probably do SASL or plain text auth. iirc
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[20:13:32] <ouid> PaulFertser: Hm, it means that even in case of SSL encryption client should use 5222 port. Because afair usually 5223 port is used for SSL encryption connection.
[20:14:23] <PaulFertser> ouid: this is deprecated and no longer supported.
[20:14:50] <PaulFertser> ouid: just do not use the so-called "legacy ssl".
[20:15:55] <PaulFertser> ouid: the difference is that 5223 used to be pure SSL connection, i.e. one could use "openssl s_client" to connect to it. Now an in-band method of activating tls/ssl is used, that is starttls.
[20:16:10] <ouid> PaulFertser: Ok, thank you, may be it's worth to mention it on the site, because I haven't found any connection settings information there and I believe some clients still use 5223 as default port for SSL connection.
[20:17:06] <PaulFertser> ouid: do not those clients call it "legacy ssl" or something like that?
[20:18:02] <PaulFertser> But yeah, lack of support for the deprecated ssl worth mentioning on the site somewhere, i hope psa might want to take care of that :)
[20:18:51] <ouid> PaulFertser: I can tell for sure, kopete for example just changes the port from 5222 to 5223 when you check "Use protocol encryption (SSL)"
[20:19:22] <ouid> *I can't =)
[20:20:04] <PaulFertser> ouid: if you're using a reasonably recent version, please get in contact with Kopete devs then, as this sounds confusing indeed.
[20:22:08] <ouid> PaulFertser: Yes, I use a version from unstable repository of Debian, so I believe it's more or less up-to-date one and you're right it should be reported.
[20:23:25] <ouid> PaulFertser: As I could understand from your words it seems that having 5222 port for SSL connection is a normal thing for most of the jabber servers now (aside from ssl legacy case)?
[20:24:16] <PaulFertser> ouid: port 5222 is still used for unencrypted connection but all modern clients are supposed to issue a special starttls command to turn on encryption early in the session.
[20:25:51] <ouid> PaulFertser: OK, thanks for the info.
[20:25:56] <PaulFertser> ouid: welcome
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[21:02:52] <psa> PaulFertser: I won't have time to make any fixes to the website until November 21 -- I'll be in Taipei next week for the IETF meeting and I'm about to log off soon so I can head home and pack :)
[21:03:13] <PaulFertser> psa: good luck and happy trip then :)
[21:03:24] <PaulFertser> psa: who's taking care of the site while you're absent?
[21:04:25] <PaulFertser> In fact, i think i remember lack of legacy ssl support was mentioned in the "blog" but it's not the most visible place. There should be some page that describes the jabber.org service in a more straightforward way i think.
[21:05:35] <PaulFertser> psa: IETF website is accessible over IPv6 but jabber.org is not :(
[21:08:51] <psa> PaulFertser: yeah we're working on that :)
[21:09:03] <psa> PaulFertser: you're right about the description page
[21:10:18] <PaulFertser> psa: talking about the IETF, do you know if they plan to declare IPv6 to be official part of "the Internet"? ;)
[21:10:59] <PaulFertser> Because currently "Internet" is described by an old RFC that has no updates wrt to IPv6 support at all.
[21:11:09] <PaulFertser> Is this something deliberate?
[21:14:02] <PaulFertser> Talking about RFC 1122 here.
[21:16:05] <psa> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required/
[21:16:25] <psa> I ballotted "no objection" https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required/ballot/ :P
[21:17:39] <PaulFertser> psa: that's some good news. Thanks! :)
[21:19:07] <psa> ok, logging off now, ttyl
[21:19:14] <psa> ciao!
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