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[11:10:51] <hayes46816> hi there, my client need 30s to login and then I don't the availability of my buddies. Is there maybe a problem? thanks
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[11:24:38] <anonymous45243> hey guys, i forgot my password, is there any way to claim it?
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[11:29:21] <harrison59050> does jabber supports video chat?
[11:29:59] <louiz’> yes
[11:30:05] <louiz’> depends on your client
[11:30:06] <naw> some clients support it
[11:30:21] <harrison59050> I need web client
[11:30:44] <harrison59050> open source web client, is there any one?
[11:30:59] <naw> I'm not aware on any
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[11:42:31] <louiz’> that does video chat, I don’t think so
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[12:57:04] <pierce44337> hi. Is jabber.org xmpp down?
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[12:57:20] <PaulFertser> Still no AAAA record for hermes.jabber.org? Still server is suddenly rebooting? Am i the only one who was disconnected a minute ago?
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[13:02:53] <pierce44337> it's working again
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[14:14:46] <PaulFertser> Received error packet [remote-server-not-found] from <xxx@gmail.com> :(((
[14:14:54] <PaulFertser> Some weird connectivity issues again :(
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[14:21:59] <harrison42138> Our jabber was moved to new hardware and upgraded with new ver. from 3.6.4 to 3.7.0
[14:22:21] <harrison42138> is thee a link on How to move and upgrade the Database?
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[15:35:14] <lincoln46053> can't seem to see any of my contacts when i connect to jabber.org
[15:38:43] <cheney15713> Any news on the connectivity issue to gtalk?
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[15:43:26] <ThurahT> still 404 over here..
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[16:03:25] <grant28184> can't connect to jabber for past 2hrs. is it down?
[16:03:58] <psa> hmm
[16:04:24] <PaulFertser> grant28184: not really but not fully functional either.
[16:05:04] <grant28184> is there an eta on when it will be fixed?
[16:05:48] <psa> grant28184: I can restart the server
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[16:28:41] <grant28184> no luck, still receiving the following error whilst trying to log in: "bad option "-timeout": must be -default, -detail, -icon, -message, -parent, -title, or -type"
[16:31:22] <psa> hmm
[16:32:06] <psa> /me is at the W3C meeting in California so is a little distrcted right now, but let me log into the machine that hosts this server and see what's going on
[16:33:46] <louiz’> (Let’s find an additional task, 2 at the same time is not enough for you :))
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[16:53:56] <psa> louiz’: yeah, and I am helping to scribe this meeting I'm in, too :)
[16:54:20] <psa> maybe I'll leave it to Kev
[16:54:51] <louiz’> :)
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[16:56:13] <PaulFertser> Kev: hey. What happened this time?
[16:56:23] <PaulFertser> ;)
[16:56:29] <Kev> "This time"?
[16:56:39] <Kev> What happened to who when?
[16:56:48] <PaulFertser> Kev: well... I have to note jabber.org is not that stable lately...
[16:57:34] <Kev> It hasn't crashed, as far as I know - but I do know the system keeps going under heavy load, and I don't know why.
[16:58:29] <PaulFertser> I had at least two strange disconnections these days, and gmail.com connectivity was down for some time today too.
[16:59:07] <PaulFertser> For me it still doesn't work i should say. Received error packet [remote-server-not-found] from <xxx@gmail.com>
[16:59:47] <Kev> Right, that's because if gmail times out during one of the heavy load periods, it'll refuse to try to connect again for $LONG_TIME.
[17:00:59] <PaulFertser> Since you have direct contacts with google admins probably it worth trying solving this issue.
[17:01:16] <PaulFertser> I mean it would be nice ...
[17:01:44] <Kev> I don't think this is an issue that needs resolving with Google.
[17:01:53] <mebs> is the problem, that jabber.org has too many users, or too many chatrooms on one machine? or it has too slow hardware or there are problems with software?
[17:01:56] <Kev> It's just one of the properties of their server that it caches when it thinks servers are unavailable.
[17:02:20] <Kev> But we do need to know what it is in the environment that keeps triggering these periods of heavy load.
[17:02:28] <Kev> I guess I'll need to start writing some parsers for generating stats from the logs.
[17:02:57] <PaulFertser> But their assumption seems to be unreasonable and harming user experience. Network outages and software glitches happen and that probably doesn't deserve effectively banning a server for many hours.
[17:03:37] <Kev> mebs: The number of users has certainly grown recently (by several thousand), I don't think it's a chatroom problem. The process becomes CPU-bound, possibly by lots of users logging in at once, sometimes and this causes timeouts. I'll add to my todo to try and write some log parsers.
[17:05:14] <PaulFertser> btw, any news wrt ipv6?
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[17:17:25] <obama7748> So sorry to interrupt, but I need some help from you smart folks. I'm just a mom who knows not of things you speak, but just needs a quick answer to a dumb question and then I will leave you to your discussions again if it is ok. I have an old DexRex account that has "told" me (maybe through "auto discover"- I don't know) that there is an account in this format: cupcakequeen@jabber.org. How and where do I log on to find the conversations/ instant messages/ history/ whatever it is? Any help would be so very much appreciated!
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[17:22:58] <PaulFertser> obama7748: tbh, i can not understand you at all...
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[17:44:30] <Kev> obama7748: If I understand what you're asking (which I probably don't) it seems to be "How do I use the dexrex mobile phone client to connect to my jabber.org account", which I'm afraid you'd likely need to ask the DexRex vendor about.
[17:44:34] <psa> obama7748: let me see if that account exists
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[17:59:59] <mebs> obama7748: you need to have your own jabber (or for example gmail) account and contact it from your account
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[18:20:12] <ThurahT> server dive check
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[18:21:43] <psa> sorry, got disconnected from the 'net here
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[18:22:26] <ThurahT> now it works again..
[18:22:50] <psa> ThurahT: hi
[18:23:12] <ThurahT> hi
[18:24:34] <ThurahT> a bit slow but it's up n running.. seems like gtalk is back also.
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[18:25:16] <PaulFertser> Got disconnected again, sigh.
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[18:27:17] <PaulFertser> psa: btw, what are w3c folks are about? Still voting for some questionable presentation-specific greedy-vendor's features like html5? ;)
[18:28:24] <grant21077> still getting the same login error: "bad option "-timeout": must be -default, -detail, -icon, -message, -parent, -title, or -type"
[18:29:10] <grant21077> I haven't been able to connect for just over 4hrs now : (
[18:29:19] <PaulFertser> grant21077: what are you talking about? Probably you can provide xml log instead?
[18:29:30] <psa> /me is in a meeting abotu CORS right now
[18:31:31] <grant21077> I use jabber.org to log in, connect, and communicate in Coccinella. Have been getting that same login error for over 4hrs
[18:31:37] <PaulFertser> Oh my, the description looks like an attempt to do something very wrong :( btw, i still fail to understand how XSS "attacks" are server-side "vulnerabilities". It's client browser that should do whatever the user asks it to do, and it's user's responsibility to control it, isn't it?
[18:33:33] <psa> cf. http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2011 -- discussion about "MIME sniffing" at the moment, see also http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-websec-mime-sniff
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[18:34:59] <psa> unfortunately they use IRC for their chatrooms ;-)
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[18:36:11] <PaulFertser> If one needs to fetch an image from another server, it already works just fine. And they want to do something more complex and seemingly meaningless...
[18:37:01] <PaulFertser> (with CORS)
[18:38:26] <grant21077> would anyone be able to shed some insight on the error I am receiving? Is their a disconnect between jabber.org and Coccinella, or is this user error?
[18:38:53] <psa> PaulFertser: see http://metajack.im/2010/01/19/crossdomain-ajax-for-xmpp-http-binding-made-easy/ for example
[18:38:57] <Kev> jabber.org has been having some load-related slowness, which might explain temporary difficulty connecting.
[18:39:03] <Kev> Does it work right now, for example?
[18:39:25] <PaulFertser> psa: is there any web standards group that cares about things that matter for emacs-w3m users and not those using bloated scripts-executing css-rendering monsters like firefox?
[18:39:31] <ThurahT> psa: oh.. the irony..
[18:39:46] <grant21077> Kev: wow, for the first time after many attempts, yes!
[18:39:48] <PaulFertser> Kev: works for me.
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[18:40:32] <Kev> I'll be investigating this tomorrow, if not tonight.
[18:40:53] <grant21077> Kev: thanks so much for your response
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[18:44:09] <PaulFertser> psa: that sounds so wrong... Layering violations, technologies misuse. AJAX itself is a dirty hack basically imho. I can't understand why it's not obvious to everybody, does it mean i'm insane?
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[18:44:46] <archerseven> Hey guys, before I completely give up, anyone know a good gtk jabber client that isn't Gajim?
[18:45:02] <ThurahT> Pidgin
[18:45:56] <archerseven> eh, Pidgin's what I'm using. Lacks a lot of things that I'd like to have though, like proper resource/priority support and state awareness. Also, with gstreamer, it's unstable, but I guess I'm not really even hoping to get good voice and vid support.
[18:45:58] <psa> PaulFertser: well, the Internet is just a hack on the phone system, y' know ;-)
[18:46:49] <PaulFertser> psa: hm, i thought internet originated as a dedicated network system (arpanet?). The phone system was used by Fido back in the days.
[18:46:58] <ThurahT> doesn't pidigns resource handling work?
[18:47:08] <archerseven> It can set resource names, but not prioirities
[18:47:28] <ThurahT> ah.. I thought that was automatic..
[18:47:30] <archerseven> nor can it specify a resource to talk to when someone else has multiple resources up
[18:47:40] <archerseven> Semi. but gtalk likes to mess with it
[18:48:00] <archerseven> so I prefer to set it manually, since Google doesn't know what I want and most people don't realize they can talk to my jabber account from gtalk.
[18:48:23] <ThurahT> yea ok..
[18:48:31] <archerseven> I dunno, I'm probably asking too much.
[18:48:48] <archerseven> Gajim looks really good! Unfortunately it's all kinds of bugs when I actually use it for any amount of time.
[18:49:15] <ThurahT> maybe they'll fix that in the upcoming pidgin 3.0.. it's a major update so it could be covered. But I haven't checked it
[18:49:23] <archerseven> mmm.
[18:49:48] <archerseven> I hope so, their XMPP support needs an overhaul, it's just too much of a "we rewrote AIM support for XMPP and left out the features that both didn't have"
[18:51:07] <ThurahT> heh.. Gaim.. almost forgot that. I ahev only used Pidgin.. But that is its origin...
[18:51:21] <archerseven> yeah, I used it when it was gaim
[18:51:51] <ThurahT> by that time I used Miranda IM.. and before that trillian.. : D
[18:51:59] <archerseven> Miranda's nice.
[18:52:06] <archerseven> I don't use Windows. Practically ever
[18:52:11] <archerseven> but Miranda looks really good :P
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[18:52:46] <ThurahT> I haven't used it in a long time. Mayeb they have proper resource handling+
[18:53:00] <archerseven> Do believe so.
[18:53:04] <archerseven> My friends all use it.
[18:53:15] <PaulFertser> mcabber ftw
[18:53:16] <archerseven> well, the Windows users among them, at least.
[18:53:36] <archerseven> mcabber is Qt, right?
[18:53:52] <archerseven> oh, console
[18:53:53] <archerseven> legit.
[18:54:17] <PaulFertser> Perfect for keeping in one's screen.
[18:54:38] <PaulFertser> I'm yet to find a client for a 300 baud teletype though ;)
[18:55:00] <archerseven> as much as I like my terminals, my text editing, web browsing, games, IM, etc. are much better in GTK :P
[18:57:46] <PaulFertser> archerseven: i use X-capable Emacs too, i've to admit.
[18:58:15] <archerseven> PaulFertser: my friend wrote a gtk text editor using gtksourceview, gcw. I swear by it.
[18:58:34] <archerseven> it's a text editor that _isn't_ an operating system!
[18:58:39] <archerseven> (as much as I respect emacs :P)
[18:58:58] <archerseven> http://pronou.net/code/gcw/ < if you're interested.
[19:00:49] <PaulFertser> archerseven: i do calls on my cellphone and send messages solely with emacs. Do you still think i might get interested? ;)
[19:01:02] <archerseven> lol.
[19:01:18] <archerseven> you know, not _all_ new software is crap :P
[19:05:24] <PaulFertser> archerseven: well... SystemTap is cool indeed. Care to provide any other example? ;)
[19:07:19] <archerseven> :P, Chromium's not a bad browser (even if I prefer Midori)... Idk, i live in a GTK world, not a CLI one :P
[19:10:02] <PaulFertser> Come one, Chromium is as awful as it can get. Constraning, inflexible, "web applications"-targetted. Meh :/ BTW, do you know it probably still doesn't support Kerberos auth for proxies, eh? And it refuses to use gstreamer for playback and thus supports only that webm stuff instead of the whole gstreamer plugin portfolio?
[19:10:37] <archerseven> gstreamer is crap :/
[19:10:49] <archerseven> that aside, Chromium is way too limiting for me, hence I use Midori
[19:11:06] <archerseven> and I thought it did to Kerberos, but I've never personally web proxied
[19:11:13] <archerseven> so it's not been an issue for me.
[19:13:21] <archerseven> looks like it might not be able to do Kerberos auth.
[19:13:48] <ThurahT> is no one sing SeaMonkey these days?
[19:13:53] <ThurahT> *using
[19:14:30] <archerseven> wow
[19:14:33] <archerseven> that looks....
[19:14:38] <archerseven> pretty terrible. :/
[19:14:59] <ThurahT> it's great though.
[19:14:59] <PaulFertser> I'm personally using emacs-w3m and firefox (when i'm forced to by those "modern" standards).
[19:15:05] <archerseven> Firefox+thunderbird+chatzilla :/
[19:15:15] <archerseven> eww w/r/t/ Firefox :/
[19:15:20] <archerseven> emacs-w3m would be okay
[19:15:28] <archerseven> if it wasn't using your text editor like an operating system.
[19:15:31] <archerseven> lynx ++
[19:15:38] <ThurahT> well.. actually it is the original mozilla suite.
[19:15:51] <archerseven> I believe that.
[19:16:24] <archerseven> Mozilla might have a good philosophy, but I don't actually like anything they've put out (albeit, Thunderbird is still my mail client as I can't seem to find an alternative worth noting)
[19:17:17] <PaulFertser> archerseven: if you've ever tried programming in elisp or using emacs more extensively, you'd feel the power of integration it provides.
[19:17:24] <ThurahT> FF and TB are light weight versions of the suite IMO..
[19:18:02] <archerseven> PaulFertser: I've used it enough to feel it's power, but I just don't respect it. I won't deny that it is powerful, or that it has a good use, it's just not my thing.
[19:19:05] <archerseven> that said, I don't code much, and when I do, it's not in lisp/elisp :P
[19:19:08] <archerseven> mostly C/Pytho
[19:19:14] <archerseven> Python, even.
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[22:56:17] <arthur13775> is jabber down (again) ?
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