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[19:07:07] <naw> aRyo: Neustradamus is talking with me about some issues that you have with jabberes.org
[19:07:42] <aRyo> yes, i found that jabberes.org display incorrect information about our transport
[19:08:33] <aRyo> it shown that we don't have active transport, in fact we have
[19:08:43] <naw> the bot just does service discovery, if you have changed addresses maybe the dns have not updated yet
[19:08:52] <naw> which transport ?
[19:09:13] <aRyo> is the bot need s2s connection? sure does :D
[19:09:44] <naw> transports are "active" if you allow users from other server to register
[19:10:34] <aRyo> ah ok, i think that's because we only allow internal jid to subscribe
[19:10:48] <naw> I remember that openfire didn't used to..... and maybe I did a shortcut and marked all openfires as unavailable
[19:11:23] <naw> at the top of the page: Greyed icons mean that those services aren't accesible from external servers or that those gateways can't be used by users from another servers.
[19:13:21] <aRyo> the other problem is that, i see our server listed but no url on it :)
[19:13:43] <naw> http://code.google.com/p/xmpp-server-scanner/source/browse/trunk/pybot/include/xmpp_discoverer.py#586 <- but I don't see the "openfire check"
[19:14:05] <naw> oh, I get the urls and geolocation from the xmpp.org list
[19:14:42] <aRyo> well it only shown the name, but i can't click on it :)
[19:14:54] <naw> and I only maintain a local list with domains that are not in xmpp.org
[19:16:03] <aRyo> you mean list that still on pending process
[19:16:08] <naw> and since I can not be sure that "jabber.example.com" will be the official site, I don't add a link
[19:17:24] <naw> The list has servers from the old jabber.org list (dissapeared years ago), servers that people requested me to add, and request to the official list in the operators mail list
[19:17:55] <naw> I update it from time to time
[19:18:13] <aRyo> i was talking about mayplaces.com
[19:18:30] <naw> so if you requested to be added to the xmpp.org list, I probably have added to my list
[19:18:44] <aRyo> well, it shown in the list, but no hyperlink :)
[19:19:10] <naw> I remember to have added that one
[19:19:41] <aRyo> it seems missing right now
[19:19:57] <naw> s2s seems broken with that server
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[19:20:36] <aRyo> the bot, using jid from jabberes.org or jabber.org?
[19:20:47] <naw> I can see it from jabber.org but not from jabberes or gmail
[19:21:47] <naw> in theory the bot is able to scan from different servers, but it may be disabled due to some bugs
[19:21:49] <aRyo> yes, we intentionally disabled s2s only from several server
[19:21:53] <naw> from jabberes
[19:22:06] <aRyo> ah ok
[19:22:10] <naw> did you have spam problems?
[19:22:35] <naw> and you don't allow gmail to connect?
[19:23:33] <aRyo> no we don't have that problem
[19:23:42] <naw> by the way, from jabber.org I don't see any transport in your services
[19:24:20] <aRyo> you're doing disco right?
[19:24:27] <naw> only the MUC, the user directory and the proxy, which are listed
[19:24:34] <naw> yes, the bot uses disco
[19:25:08] <naw> it just connects to a jabberes and does disco
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[19:25:34] <aRyo> hold on let me do small change
[19:26:20] <aRyo> do the disco once more
[19:26:34] <aRyo> how's the result?
[19:26:45] <naw> aRyo: the bot runs every 6 hours, and since it uses sinchronous requests and not in paralel, it can take a couple of hours to run it
[19:27:07] <aRyo> ah ok, so it needs to wait
[19:27:13] <naw> I see the same
[19:27:47] <naw> oh, you mean the disco from jabberes? it works now :D
[19:28:34] <aRyo> i know, i thought that your bot using jabber.org jid
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[19:29:53] <aRyo> next time the bot run, it should be shown the transport we have
[19:30:38] <aRyo> theoritically
[19:31:34] <naw> I don't see it
[19:31:48] <aRyo> see what?
[19:31:56] <naw> the transport, doing disco
[19:32:07] <aRyo> you said you see it
[19:32:42] <naw> now I see the disco results (before I just couldn't connect from jabberes)
[19:33:03] <naw> <query xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#items"> <item name="Socks 5 Bytestreams Proxy" jid="proxy.mayplaces.com"/> <item name="Broadcast service" jid="broadcast.mayplaces.com"/> <item name="Client Control Manager" jid="manager.mayplaces.com"/> <item name="Public Chatrooms" jid="groups.mayplaces.com"/> <item name="Publish-Subscribe service" jid="pubsub.mayplaces.com"/> <item name="Spark Updater" jid="updater.mayplaces.com"/> <item name="User Search" jid="search.mayplaces.com"/> </query>
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[19:33:52] <aRyo> is that results okay?
[19:35:16] <naw> I don't see a transport there
[19:37:30] <aRyo> ah ic, is that possible that because we only allowed internal users to subscribe to the transports?
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[19:41:07] <naw> yes, maybe the server doesn't show them to external users if they can not register
[19:41:35] <naw> whar some transports do is just remove the jabber:iq:register feature
[19:42:43] <naw> or just reject you in when you submit the registration form (which is why I wrote some code to try registrations
[19:43:30] <naw> but it only was enabled in the bot that used to run in the coccinella server
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[19:44:49] <aRyo> okay, i tested that everything is fine from by using internal jid
[19:45:06] <naw> that's it then
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[19:45:59] <aRyo> thanks anyway
[19:46:12] <naw> without an internal jid I'm not able to see them, and a bo that registers itself on 200 servers looks a bit abusive too me :p
[19:46:29] <aRyo> lol.. yea
[19:46:44] <naw> anyway, the idea was a place where people could locate transports that allowed registrations from other servers
[19:47:09] <aRyo> may i know your bot jid?
[19:47:17] <naw> well, it could register and the unregister itself......
[19:47:33] <Kev> naw: It shouldn't, though.
[19:47:38] <Kev> S2S is the right solution for this.
[19:48:24] <naw> testbot@jabberes.org if I remember correctly
[19:48:45] <naw> Kev: yes, I know :D
[19:48:56] <Kev> *You* do :)
[19:49:24] <aRyo> what It shouldn't?
[19:50:28] <naw> aRyo: perform automatic registrations on each server
[19:51:13] <aRyo> hm.. it will depends on the server config don't you think? cause not all of them allowed to do that
[19:51:41] <naw> that's an additional problem
[19:52:56] <naw> many servers only allow web registrations, and in-band registration doesn't have captcha activated just because most clients don't support it
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[19:54:05] <aRyo> single door much save then we have a lots of door which we don't know how to control it
[19:54:30] <aRyo> *than
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[19:58:17] <aRyo> cmiiw
[20:00:45] <aRyo> so how about the hyperlink that we was talking about, is it possible to add it?
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[20:03:45] <naw> possible is... but since I can not be sure if is the correct address, I would prefer not to add it. after all, to copy and paste the address into the address bar is not that hard, is it?
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[20:08:31] <aRyo> sure
[20:12:04] <Neustradamus> The bad point is the XMPP service list not updated... A lot of people ask me news (like aRyo) who has posted an email a long time ago... I reply soon...
[20:12:17] <Neustradamus> but soon since a long time, it is very bad.
[20:17:06] <naw> yes, I have seen the mail threads in the operators mail list about the service list status
[20:18:07] <aRyo> perhaps everyone got busy lately
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[22:01:07] <chris.george@jabber.org> Has jabber.org been having stability issues today?
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[22:26:59] <Fofo44> هاي
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