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[10:39:31] <dwd> This so-called "new" year feels exactly like the old one, you know.
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[16:42:52] <naw> bear: hello, any update about the xmpp services page?
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[21:13:09] <louiz’> !version conference.legtux.org
[21:13:15] <louiz’> oh noes
[21:14:00] <Kev> Someone want to kick Kanchil?
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[21:14:37] <Kev> Ta.
[21:15:42] <Kev> !version conference.legtux.org
[21:15:46] <Kanchil> Kev: conference.legtux.org doesn't reply to version requests
[21:15:52] <Kev> louiz’: ^
[21:17:09] <louiz’> ok thanks kev
[21:17:16] <louiz’> !version legtux.org
[21:17:20] <Kanchil> louiz’: legtux.org is running Prosody version 0.7.0 on Linux
[21:17:24] <louiz’> ok
[21:18:54] <stpeter> !version jabber.org
[21:18:58] <Kanchil> stpeter: jabber.org is running Isode M-Link version 14.6a6 on an unknown platform
[21:19:01] <stpeter> yay!
[21:19:11] <stpeter> speaking of servers, I need to upgrade mine
[21:19:20] <stpeter> !version stpeter.im
[21:19:21] <Kanchil> stpeter: stpeter.im is running Prosody version 0.7.0rc1 on Linux
[21:19:25] <dwd> stpeter, Although the 'a' is unnerving, for me at least.
[21:19:27] <jonas> !version jabber.se
[21:19:33] <Kanchil> jonas: jabber.se is running ejabberd version 2.1.6 on unix/linux 2.6.26
[21:19:39] <jonas> (just upgraded, yay)
[21:19:44] <stpeter> /me goes back to concentrating on his conference call
[21:19:54] <dwd> !version dave.cridland.net
[21:19:55] <Kanchil> dwd: dave.cridland.net is running Isode M-Link version 15.0a0 on ZX Spectrum 48K
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[21:20:38] <dwd> Just about to upgrade. To the same version, mind.
[21:21:08] <jonas> aka restart?
[21:21:29] <dwd> jonas, No, I mean a new build, but the version identifier stays the same.
[21:21:40] <dwd> jonas, I should really put git hashes in it, some time.
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[21:22:04] <jonas> so actually a new version, it just wont say so when kanchil pokes it
[21:22:26] <dwd> jonas, Same version, same release, different build?
[21:22:48] <dwd> jonas, Depends how purist you're being with "version" et al, I suppose.
[21:22:53] <jonas> is the new build on a commit newer than the previous build? yes => new version :P
[21:23:07] <Kev> Isode's naming scheme disagrees :)
[21:23:18] <jonas> bah, details
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[21:29:14] <dwd> To say "that worked" would be tempting fate too much, of course. But it doesn't seem to have obviously failed, which is promising.
[21:29:26] <dwd> Now to try the spiffiness.
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[21:29:50] <duck1123> that one's not free, is it?
[21:29:50] <dwd> Ooooh. Spiffy.
[21:30:16] <MattJ> Why did I read "Spiffy" as "Spotify"?
[21:30:23] <Kev> Brokenness.
[21:30:26] <MattJ> :(
[21:30:45] <dwd> duck1123, No. M-Link isn't free, ever. We are occasionally commercially flexible, however.
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[22:08:08] <dwd> MattJ, About?
[22:08:49] <MattJ> About what?
[22:09:15] <dwd> MattJ, What error do you get trying to contact dave.cridland.net? I don't seem to get through to any Prosodies.
[22:09:51] <MattJ> service-unavailable
[22:10:04] <MattJ> [22:09:58] MattJ: !version dave.cridland.net [22:09:58] HAL: MattJ: dave.cridland.net is running Isode M-Link (version 15.0a0) on ZX Spectrum 48K
[22:10:47] <dwd> Any idea why? From my end, I reach the hosts, they reach me, I send my verify over the stream I've got to them, and then later they give me a connection-timeout.
[22:10:59] <dwd> I'm wondering if the stream is in a funny state (either of them).
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[22:12:36] <dwd> Hmmm. Actually, I don't seem to ever get my db:result verified by a Prosody. Yet I must be getting db:results from you, because I'm sending verifies...
[22:14:35] <MattJ> service-unavailable is expected
[22:14:40] <MattJ> and version query works
[22:16:45] <Kev> Note that I've seen connection problems between Prosody and M-Link a number of times, after an M-Link restart.
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[22:18:00] <dwd> MattJ, So, for example, matthewwild.co.uk is giving me connection-timeout stream errors.
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[22:20:12] <MattJ> dwd, but it's working!
[22:20:24] <dwd> MattJ, You see dwd@dave.cridland.net online?
[22:20:43] <MattJ> er, no
[22:20:51] <MattJ> but I can query version
[22:20:55] <dwd> Nor do I see (any of) your jids online.
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[22:21:41] <dwd> Oh! Now that's curious. prosody.im, which I don't normally/always have a connection to, works fine.
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[22:22:47] <dwd> MattJ, HAL's on prosody.im, right?
[22:22:58] <MattJ> No, matthewwild.co.uk
[22:23:08] <dwd> /me is confused.
[22:23:10] <MattJ> [22:23:03] Ping? [22:23:03] Pong! (0.12 s.)
[22:23:19] <MattJ> This is a chat window from matthewwild.co.uk->d.c.n
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[22:24:04] <MattJ> s2s:show("dave") | matthewwild.co.uk | matthewwild.co.uk -> dave.cridland.net (encrypted) | matthewwild.co.uk <- dave.cridland.net (encrypted) | OK: Total: 1 outgoing, 1 incoming connections
[22:24:13] <MattJ> In fact about the only thing wrong is that I don't see you online
[22:24:19] <MattJ> Wait, I do
[22:24:29] <MattJ> Sent you a message
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[22:46:35] <naw> I had a crash and forgot to join again in the room, can you tell me if bear answered to my question?
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[22:48:03] <stpeter> naw: I don't think he did, and I don't have an answer for you, either
[22:48:16] <naw> :(
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[22:52:15] <bear> what question?
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[22:53:20] <stpeter> about the services list at xmpp.org
[22:53:34] <bear> naw: sadly no update - holidays were not a good time for me (illness, car trouble, minor flareup w/depression) - still on the todo list
[22:53:38] <bear> thanks
[22:53:48] <bear> stpeter - are you posting to the blog about jabber birthday?
[22:53:53] <naw> :(
[22:54:07] <stpeter> bear: "jabber" is verboten, no?
[22:54:20] <bear> naw - at this point if you have any ideas or even code - send them to me and i'll test
[22:54:39] <Tobias> verboten? :P
[22:54:43] <bear> well, we could word it as "Jabber, the precursor to XMPP" had it's ....."
[22:55:02] <naw> I think that mati coded an script to ease the requirements checking for the servers
[22:55:39] <Tobias> lol..didn't know verboten is also an english word with the same meaning as in german
[22:55:55] <bear> naw - then could I impinge upon your patience and send me that script so I can look at it this weekend?
[22:56:10] <naw> I don't have it
[22:56:30] <bear> k
[22:58:22] <bear> naw - I just moved it to the top of my todo list for personal projects - i'll take a look at it this weekend
[22:58:42] <naw> cool :)
[22:59:37] <naw> mati used to be at the "jabber" room
[23:00:10] <bear> i have too many windows open now on "personal info stream" monitor - that's how I missed this conversation
[23:09:19] <stpeter> Tobias: yes, English is a mongrel language, we borrow from every other language, it seems
[23:10:15] <Tobias> yeah...though that's not necessarily a good thing ;)
[23:10:57] <naw> bear: stpeter http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/operators/2010-September/001044.html
[23:11:14] <bear> naw - sweet!
[23:11:35] <stpeter> bear: I think we still need to figure out how to keep the web page and the .xml file in sync
[23:11:59] <bear> stpeter - yes, that is the big elephant in the room of my plans
[23:12:00] <naw> stpeter: and the other languanges are borrowing from english, at least technical terms
[23:12:55] <stpeter> bear: nod
[23:13:13] <stpeter> bear: I'd prefer not to do any icky screen-scraping :)
[23:13:15] <stpeter> or somesuch
[23:13:49] <naw> generating both from data stored in the database, or maybe having the original data in the xml....
[23:14:17] <bear> stpeter - completely agree; they both should come from the same source
[23:14:28] <bear> i'm all for xslt style transforms
[23:14:38] <naw> by the way, do you plan to keep the xml file only for servers with in band registration? (I think that you talked about that a while ago)
[23:14:40] <stpeter> could be that's the answer
[23:15:00] <stpeter> naw: don't we still have that one?
[23:15:02] <bear> naw - i'm waving the "out of scope; defer to later" flag on that one
[23:15:11] <naw> fine
[23:15:40] <bear> once interop has generated more actionable data - then I think we can start to be more active in how the server list is managed
[23:15:41] <naw> stpeter: jabber.org is in the list, and jabber.org doesn't have in-band
[23:16:43] <naw> also, I use the xml for http://www.jabberes.org/servers/ so I'm interested on a complete list, not only on a filtered list (of course, client devs will prefer the filtered one)
[23:18:14] <stpeter> naw: good point :)
[23:25:42] <naw> as I said before, if I can help drop me a line
[23:28:38] <stpeter> gotta run, bbl
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