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[09:52:55] <Man28> هااااي
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[12:50:53] <bush34903> hi
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[17:29:55] <simplelivingud@jabber.org/Meebo> hi
[17:30:14] <stpeter> hi
[17:31:24] <simplelivingud@jabber.org/Meebo> first-timer on jabber looking for buddies, dont judge just love lol
[17:31:58] <stpeter> :)
[17:32:29] <simplelivingud@jabber.org/Meebo> lol
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[17:39:30] <cheney15366> hello everyone, sorry to bother you; is it a problem on the server side or something is wrong with me, when messages sent
to me when I'm offline are often (not always) not getting to me
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[17:42:57] <stpeter> hi cheney15366
[17:43:42] <stpeter> right now the jabber.org server is not storing offline messages persistently, so if the server is restarted then your earlier
messages will be lost
[17:48:58] <Kev> This is a fairly rare occurance these days, mind.
[17:49:04] <Kev> Although it happened earlier this week.
[17:54:32] <cheney15366> ok, thanks for the answers, appreciated :)
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[18:44:07] <andre.couturier> Hi All, I am having a bit of trouble getting pidgin to talk directly to jabber.org. I am behind a proxy and to get google
talk working, it has to go through port 443. Does jabber.org listen on 443 as well?
[18:45:00] <Kev> No, jabber.org listens to 5222 for clients (or 5223 for very old clients)
[18:45:36] <andre.couturier> ok, I guess that makes it easy... I won't be able to use it from work then...
[18:45:53] <andre.couturier> :)
[18:47:13] <stpeter> /me wonders whether it's time to discontinue 5223 (again)
[18:54:35] <andre.couturier> how many of the old clients still connect...if you aren't seeing more than a couple a day...then it probably is time to kill
that port... :)
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[18:55:33] <naw> /me suggests netstat -nt | grep 5223
[18:55:43] <stpeter> :P
[18:59:15] <stpeter> currently 540 connected
[18:59:37] <naw> :(
[19:01:23] <stpeter> 16261 on 5222
[19:02:19] <stpeter> so ~3% are using 5223
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[19:59:55] <kennedy43531> anyone know if setting the message "type" to something other than the protocol recommendations is not a good idea?
[20:00:12] <Kev> More than not a good idea, it's forbidden.
[20:00:32] <kennedy43531> hmm
[20:01:38] <kennedy43531> thx
[20:05:00] <Kev> Why were you thinking of doing so?
[20:06:09] <kennedy43531> i want to intercept a particular type of message on the server
[20:06:28] <kennedy43531> so instead of something like
[20:06:44] <kennedy43531> <message type="groupchat"><something>asdasd</something></message>
[20:06:49] <kennedy43531> was wondering if i could just do
[20:07:01] <kennedy43531> <message type="something"><body>asds</body></message>
[20:07:55] <Kev> Yeah, you can't do that - but I don't think there's any much reason to want to do so.
[20:08:49] <kennedy43531> im screwing around with prosody, and i figured it would be easy to intercept because of this line
[20:08:57] <kennedy43531> 'elseif stanza.name == "message" and type == "groupchat"'
[20:16:41] <Kev> Things in XMPP are typically payload-based, which is I think what you want.
[20:18:23] <kennedy43531> cool, thx for the help
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[21:44:05] <Link Mauve> Was there really no commit in OpenFire in the last 30 days, or am I on the wrong repository? http://issues.igniterealtime.org/browse/OF
[21:51:01] <stpeter> Link Mauve: you are surprised? :)
[21:51:34] <Link Mauve> Someone told me that it was still maintained.
[21:51:44] <HedgeMage> link Mauve: Openfire has gotten to be in terrible shape. I'm looking to migrate to Prosody as soon as I have the time to
move things over.
[21:51:54] <stpeter> HedgeMage: +1
[21:52:23] <HedgeMage> stpeter: Though I'm starting to think Prosody may have a virus: every time I set aside time to do that, I get sick! :P
[21:53:00] <stpeter> haha
[21:55:59] <Link Mauve> I’m already using Prosody, but an association I know has just set up its XMPP server… with OpenFire. :(
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[21:59:06] <HedgeMage> link Mauve: Is there any chance you can get them to switch? OF has become an absolute nightmare. I mean, it's usable (my
server is still up and running until I get Prosody in), but it doesn't support some of the things it claims to, it has performance
issues, etc.
[22:00:37] <Link Mauve> I tried, but they told me that they knew what they were doing, that it is a good software and that I was troublesome… -_-"
[22:00:56] <HedgeMage> :(
[22:01:53] <HedgeMage> I usually follow that with "Okay, but if you won't take my expert advice on what to use, don't expect my expert help when
it breaks."
[22:03:00] <Link Mauve> Of course, I won’t help them because I don’t know OF at all.
[22:03:59] <HedgeMage> OF is easy as long as you don't want multiple domains, pubsub, or any of the other things that are severely broken to work.
[22:04:25] <Link Mauve> By PubSub, do you mean PEP too?
[22:04:45] <Link Mauve> I heard that stream compression isn’t implemented too.
[22:08:15] <HedgeMage> link Mauve: PEP works...sort of. Setting your own activity/mood/tune works, but receiving it from others on other servers
doesn't always work.
[22:09:34] <Link Mauve> oO
[22:10:23] <Link Mauve> Do you know a list of all OF problems? It could maybe help them to reconsider their decision…
[22:10:49] <Link Mauve> I have perhaps too hope, but I’ll try nevertheless.
[22:11:27] <HedgeMage> link Mauve: I don't have one handy, but off the top of my head:
[22:11:38] <HedgeMage> yahoo transport hasn't worked for a couple of years
[22:12:01] <HedgeMage> BOSH is unstable on slow connections (which are kind of the point of BOSH)
[22:13:17] <HedgeMage> OTR throws errors and sometimes fails when at least one participant uses an OF server than don't happen on others -- never
tracked this one down.
[22:13:49] <HedgeMage> pubsub is a lost cause, PEP is twitchy as mentioned earlier
[22:14:16] <HedgeMage> OF claims to support multiple domains on a single server instance, but it isn't actually implemented in any way
[22:16:33] <HedgeMage> link Mauve: s2c compression appears to work, s2s compression caused connectivity problems
[22:17:10] <Link Mauve> I already found this one: I had to disable compression to connect to this server…
[22:17:28] <HedgeMage> /me nods
[22:18:58] <HedgeMage> admin functions from client (for permitted users) didn't work at all last time I checked.
[22:21:00] <naw> I guess that I should forgot about suggesting people to use OF
[22:21:51] <HedgeMage> It also has a tendency to fail @ caching... that is, until the beta released last August (which isn't really stable enough
to use, and hasn't been followed up on with new releases) OF couldn't tell how big its cache was getting, so it didn't always
clean it up, and yeah epic FAIL
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[22:22:30] <HedgeMage> naw: Yeah, it's a mostly-unmaintained mess. :(
[22:22:58] <HedgeMage> naw: Though, considering that I installed it long before Prosody existed...I'm not sure there was a better option at the time.
[22:23:14] <naw> maybe ejabberd
[22:23:25] <naw> ejabberd should have existed at that time
[22:23:55] <HedgeMage> I remember that I tried ejabberd, and rejected it due to some problem I can't now recall.
[22:24:26] <HedgeMage> But, that was years ago. I doubt ejabberd now closely resembles ejabberd in 2004.
[22:25:32] <HedgeMage> maybe it was '05
[22:25:36] <HedgeMage> sometime around then :)
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[22:27:52] <HedgeMage> I remember that I tried jabberd1.4, jabberd2, ejabberd, and openfire
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