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[03:31:12] <Modigliani> hi, i have an account on jabber.org. To use another server do i need a new account?
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[03:33:42] <MattJ> Modigliani, it depends - what do you mean by "use another server"?
[03:34:00] <MattJ> If you just want to talk to people on that server, or join rooms on that server, you can probably use your jabber.org account
[03:34:15] <Modigliani> I mean linuxlovers.at
[03:34:29] <MattJ> if you want to have an address on that server for people to contact you (e.g. Modigliani@somewhereelse.com) then yes, you
need to register a new account there
[03:35:50] <Modigliani> i'm using empathy and i want to join to linuxlovers.at
[03:37:51] <Modigliani> and i receive login failed message
[03:38:05] <Modigliani> so i guess i need an account on the server i want to join in
[03:38:28] <MattJ> What do you mean "join in"?
[03:39:27] <Modigliani> i search for a list of servers on the net
[03:41:14] <Modigliani> when i configured empathy, server is empty, i'd like to configure linuxlovers.at
[03:41:50] <Modigliani> I'm sorry I think i need to read a bit more before make questions :D
[03:43:50] <Modigliani> thanks anyway
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[11:40:17] <𐎣𐎷𐎣𐎷𐎣𐎷𐎣𐎣𐎷𐎣𐎷𐎣𐎷𐎣𐎷> hey all
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[15:01:49] <Hugin> is it possible to explicitly send a message to a certain offline resource?
[15:02:37] <MattJ> Not really
[15:04:38] <louiz’> an offline resource doesn't exist
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[15:06:35] <Hugin> ok. i know it's generally of limited use and dangerous regarding message loss, but i sometimes encounter situations in which
it would come in handy
[15:07:06] <MattJ> Then it's up to the server implementation really
[15:07:12] <louiz’> send a message to a specific resource, and when THIS specific resource goes online it gets the message?
[15:07:23] <Hugin> louiz’: exactly
[15:07:28] <MattJ> A server /could/ do it, I just don't think any do out of the box because of the issues with it
[15:11:30] <Hugin> MattJ: sure. but to enforce that behaviour would be a bad idea. i just thought there might be a "force delivery to that resource"
flag in the specification
[15:12:10] <louiz’> well, no
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[15:22:28] <Nÿco> what if that resource never comes back online?
what if the user logs in with another software (same or other computer/phone) but with the same resource?
[15:26:07] <HedgeMage> /me peeks in
[15:31:20] <HedgeMage> Hugin, Just out of curiosity...what is your use case?
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[16:12:56] <Kev> MattJ: Are you sure a server could do that? I thought that wasn't compatible with the 3921bis routing rules (although haven't
checked).
[16:27:51] <Hugin> Nÿco: as said, i'm aware of those severe problems
[16:28:06] <Hugin> HedgeMage: let's say i have a task/question/whatever for a person requiring him or her to be at a certain computer. i /reliably/
know which resources this person uses for what purpose. instead of relying on his or her memory when deliverying the message
to the wrong resource, it would be neat if i could send it to the right one.
[16:28:33] <Hugin> i could even use it for myself to remember doing something at another computer
[16:28:46] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0079.html
[16:29:35] <Kev> Hugin: You're into implementation-specific details here, though - as you can't reliably know your resource in XMPP unless
you control all the implementations.
[16:29:50] <MattJ> stpeter, sigh, I guess I'll have to implement that at some point :)
[16:30:14] <stpeter> MattJ: nah, keep waiting and maybe we'll devise something less ugly ;-)
[16:30:26] <HedgeMage> Hugin, That's, IMO, a poor use for XMPP. I'd rather use some sort of to-do list that I can access from wherever, and trust
the people I talk to to handle their own organization :P
[16:30:34] <HedgeMage> /me <3 emacs org-mode by the way.
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[16:36:32] <Hugin> HedgeMage: of course there are better ways for todo lists etc. i'm not really thinking of realising a task managment over
xmpp, just stuff like sending a link to a special computer, send a short reminder, etc. in other words: stuff i would send
to a ressource via xmpp if that ressource would be online right now
[16:37:50] <Hugin> i already expected it to be of way too less use and bringing too many problems with it as that someone would have considered
it. just wanted too be sure ;)
[16:40:34] <Nÿco> Hugin: don't you want a king of "notes storage" on your server?
[16:42:02] <Kev> Yes, you could always use something PEP-like for this, or even iq:private.
[16:47:15] <Hugin> which would require my contacts to support it. i thought there might be an existing server implementation for my purpose.
[16:47:23] <Hugin> but i see why that'S not the case
[16:47:37] <Kev> Oh, I thought you said for TODOs you'd be sending to yourself.
[16:48:10] <Hugin> that would have been only one case
[16:48:50] <Hugin> in which i thought it might be handy
[16:56:16] <Hugin> and now for something completly different: are there any news you are aware of regarding gtalk's 'jingle' implementation complying
with the latest standard?
[16:59:35] <Nÿco> yes, libjingle is now spec-compliant... I don't know for the service and software
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[17:27:06] <stpeter> AFAIK, the Google Talk team is still working to upgrade the software and service
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