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[14:43:36] <louiz’> hum, is it OK to receive a <message /> stanza with NO id?
[14:43:42] <louiz’> is it legit?
[14:43:44] <Kev> Yes.
[14:44:00] <louiz’> ok
[14:44:01] <Kev> id attributes are only required on iq stanzas.
[14:44:12] <Kev> Although it's a good idea to include them elsewhere.
[14:44:13] <petermount> was just about to say that :-)
[14:44:35] <petermount> I tend to include them only when i need to keep track of a specific message, otherwise don't include them
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[16:14:45] <louiz’> http://dpaste.com/241025/ is this legit? The xmlns="" seems very odd to me…
[16:15:41] <petermount> that looks like a problem with whatever generated the stanza...
[16:16:25] <Kev> That is wrong, yes.
[16:16:26] <petermount> i've seen that with jaxb, if the schema does't get the body defined right it gets it into the wrong namespace, generating that extra xmlns
[16:16:55] <Kev> Empty strings are illegal namespaces.
[16:16:59] <louiz’> muckl (the web client) does this.
[16:17:32] <petermount> as kev just said, "" is illegal as well...
[16:18:37] <louiz’> ok, thank you :)
[16:18:55] <Kev> So it's illegal on one count, and wrong on another.
[16:19:25] <petermount> yep
[16:19:39] <Kev> Illegal namespace. Wrong in that if body is any xmlns other than jabber:client, it's not the message body as we know it, and clients aren't going to show it (unless they're lazy on their parsing, and most probably are).
[16:20:11] <louiz’> were do you read that?
[16:20:19] <Kev> Which?
[16:20:23] <louiz’> where*
[16:23:16] <louiz’> nevermind :^)
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[18:56:37] <dwd> Kev, Empty strings are illegal to use as a namespace URI, even though they're legal URIs (albeit relative). But they're used in XMLNS to indicate the elements are unqualified.
[18:57:14] <dwd> Kev, You *have* to use it with no prefix, mind, but they essentially unbind the default namespace - see the end of REC-xml-names §6.2 (last example in that section).
[18:58:02] <dwd> So, specifically, this XML is legal. Just weird.
[18:58:32] <Kev> So I see.
[18:59:40] <Kev> That still makes it XMPP-wrong, though - because the body will have no namespace, rather than jabber:client.
[18:59:52] <Kev> (Not XMPP-illegal, but not what was intended)
[19:00:04] <dwd> It means it's not a "message body", indeed.
[19:00:56] <dwd> Kev, What's happened is someone's written a bot or a client which reads in "<body>test</body>", parses it and reinjects it into another XML doc, and the process has preserved the (lack of) namespace.
[19:01:07] <Kev> Yes.
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[03:01:10] <ack!> test
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[03:01:35] <ack!> any php developers around?
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[04:22:17] <online> .
[04:25:27] <online> Hi
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