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[09:05:46] <louiz’> ùù*ù*ù
[09:05:53] <louiz’> oups…
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[09:20:08] <dwd> louiz’, úú*û*ùù, surely?
[09:21:32] <Zash> Of course, that explains everything!
[09:24:52] <louiz’> yeah, it sure does!
[09:36:21] <petermount> about as bad as when I'm typing, wondering why the command's vanished and then realize that adium's got focus and it's ended up in here :-(
[09:49:52] <dwd> Yes, I once had a chat window pop to the front and take focus when I was typing in a password.
[09:50:05] <dwd> Of course, it *had* to be an identi.ca chat window, to make things worse.
[09:53:58] <Zash> Isn't there a "don't steal focus when I'm typing" option somewhere?
[09:54:17] <Zash> Or rather, don't steal focus ever!
[09:54:25] <Zash> /me slaps Compiz
[09:55:26] <petermount> there should be - on mac's it's supposed to be against the rules as well - but some apps still insist in taking the focus anyhow
[09:57:01] <Tobias> petermount: especially those starting with P and ending with an i :P
[09:57:19] <petermount> hehe
[09:57:32] <Kev> Tobias: Only if you choose the "Yes, please suck" option, though.
[09:57:44] <Kev> I never understood why anyone would want that enabled.
[09:58:02] <Zash> Ah, I had borked the config somehow
[09:58:13] <Tobias> Kev: what option do you mean? auto join rooms?
[09:58:24] <Kev> Oh, for rooms.
[09:58:27] <Kev> Yes, that sucks by default.
[09:58:40] <Kev> I thought you meant the "Please steal focus whenever anyone sends me a message" option.
[09:58:49] <louiz’> (what does begin with P and end with i ?)
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[09:59:09] <Zash> locate -b \\p.*i
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[10:01:08] <dwd> louiz’, At least one greek letter.
[10:01:31] <louiz’> this locate command doesn't work.
[10:02:45] <louiz’> locate -b "\\p*i" does.
[10:02:56] <Zash> So it's not regex :(
[10:03:04] <Zash> but plain shell matching stuff
[10:03:34] <louiz’> yes
[10:03:47] <louiz’> anyway, I was just asking what software you were talking about ;(
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[10:07:41] <Zash> louiz’: Don't know any XMPP related software that matches p*i ?
[10:10:29] <louiz’> psi ?
[10:11:20] <Zash> ;)
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[10:22:17] <louiz’> ;)
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[10:38:42] <Guus> focus stealing - I love it when my IM does that milliseconds before I attempt to close some application. Good reason to use a mouse instead of a keyboard shortcut, I guess...
[10:39:18] <Guus> ah, I should've scrolled down before joining in on a conversation that was over an hour ago :)
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[10:49:02] <Zash> It was?!
[10:50:07] <Zash> It's nice when you close a (group) chat window and it decides to reopen it right after because a message came.
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[10:56:35] <Zash> .. like Skype likes to do :(
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[15:40:00] <Tobias> in what way is Jingle SIP compatible?
[15:44:00] <Zash> AFAIK, it does the same thing, in a similary way, so you should be able to just translate it
[15:44:12] <Tobias> ahh..ok
[15:44:32] <Zash> and the actual data is managed by RTSP or something
[15:55:48] <petermount> quick q: how many simultaneous connections is jabber.org handling at the moment?
[15:56:14] <Kev> 12-16k clients, and 3-5k servers, usually.
[15:56:45] <petermount> thx kev
[15:57:03] <Kev> Aroundabout 14k and 4k at the moment.
[15:58:19] <Kev> Any reason?
[15:58:30] <Tobias> Kev: and overall memory consumption for that values is?
[15:58:36] <Tobias> still around 16 GB?
[15:58:48] <Kev> My graph says around 8gig at the moment.
[15:58:57] <Tobias> nice :)
[15:59:21] <petermount> having a problem with our cluster here at work with about 1k users and the sysadmin is saying add another node to the cluster when I think its something else
[15:59:52] <Kev> Jabber.org has fairly beefy hardware for a single-node server.
[16:00:00] <Tobias> petermount: what kind of problem? too high resource usage (CPU or memory)?
[16:00:00] <Kev> But I can't imagine needing two nodes for a 1k user server.
[16:00:16] <Kev> Unless it's someone paying for M-Link licenses, in which case I'd recommend at least 10 nodes :D
[16:00:18] <petermount> 'failover' etc :-/
[16:00:28] <Kev> Ah, well, two nodes for failover always makes sense.
[16:00:39] <petermount> nah, it's an ancient Jabber XCP licence :-P
[16:00:56] <Kev> Assuming it's a server that supports failover clustering, of course. Not all XMPP servers that support clustering do so for failover, IIUC.
[16:01:09] <Kev> petermount: Ah, well, what you want to do is replace it with M-Link then, clearly.
[16:01:47] <petermount> been hinting on getting them to replace that part for ages... Been using this version of XCP for a good 5 years now
[16:02:51] <Tobias> 5 years of not updated software?
[16:03:18] <petermount> tobias: tell me about it :(
[16:03:47] <Kev> Not all that long after I took over Psi, then.
[16:03:55] <Kev> That's dating it.
[16:04:33] <petermount> we were using psi back then for initial testing until the flash clients were working...
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[17:47:54] <Zash> Is it time to implement [xep 275] yet?
[17:48:21] <Kev> Possibly.
[17:52:00] <Zash> Kev: Where's Kanchil btw? :(
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[17:52:25] <Kev> Good question :)
[17:52:44] <Kev> Riddim's not quite as reliable as it could be, yet.
[17:53:47] <Zash> Put it in a `until lua riddim.lua; then sleep 60; done` or such loop.
[17:53:54] <Zash> And what has MattJ done with HAL?
[17:54:15] <Kev> Yes, I have such a loop (while, instead), but that doesn't help when riddim stays up, but disconnected.
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[23:43:12] <hildjj> are there any sleek experts in the crowd?
[23:43:41] <hildjj> i'm trying to figure out how to schedule a timer callback in the run loop.
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[23:59:45] <Lance Stout> hi hildjj
[23:59:56] <Lance Stout> sleek coauthor here
[00:01:05] <hildjj> hi.
[00:01:18] <hildjj> oddly, fritzy already replied on twitter. :)
[00:01:18] <Lance Stout> what are you wanting to do?
[00:01:23] <Lance Stout> ah, ok
[00:01:28] <Lance Stout> figures
[00:01:37] <hildjj> there's a schedule() method.
[00:01:48] <hildjj> which calls threading.Timer()
[00:03:31] <hildjj> unfortunately, it doesn't set the timer to be a daemon thread, so you can't quite the process easily.
[00:03:49] <hildjj> but that got me what I needed.
[00:04:09] <hildjj> i like Sleek; thanks for all of the hard work!
[00:04:13] <Lance Stout> ah, yeah. daemonizing that might be a good idea for us to change
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[00:17:43] <hildjj> Lance Stout: The XML i'm currently sending has a bunch of namespace prefixes, which is causing issues. any way to clean them up?
[00:18:17] <Lance Stout> what issues is it causing?
[00:18:26] <Lance Stout> and which branch are you using?
[00:18:59] <hildjj> let me confirm.
[00:19:33] <hildjj> % git status # On branch master nothing to commit (working directory clean)
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[00:21:01] <hildjj> nm, i'm not convinced the prefixes are my problem.
[00:21:06] <Lance Stout> ok, thats a bit older. is the issue with printing the xml to strings?
[00:23:46] <hildjj> i think it's just the log is misleading. i actually made one of the classic XMPP blunders, and didn't retrieve my roster. :)
[00:23:56] <hildjj> which branch should I be on?
[00:24:30] <Lance Stout> depends how many times you want to change things before 1.0 is released :p
[00:24:51] <Lance Stout> I've been doing a lot of work in the develop branch cleaning and documenting
[00:25:00] <hildjj> "want" is a strong word. however, i'm willing to help by breaking things.
[00:26:14] <Lance Stout> unless you're using data forms a lot, you might be able to use develop without any issues
[00:27:01] <Lance Stout> breaking things is good though, lets us know what needs more unit testing love
[00:29:04] <hildjj> i'm on develop now, and the debug log makes a lot more sense.
[00:30:03] <Lance Stout> i replaced the xml tostring stuff to get rid of the silly ns0: prefixes on everything
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