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[12:07:31] <Guus> hmm.. if a client-to-server connection wishes to use both TLS (without compression) and Stream Compression, how are these two nested?
[12:07:45] <Guus> is the data compressed, encrypted data, or the other way around?
[12:07:59] <Guus> (or doesn't that make sense?)
[12:08:11] <jonas> doesn't TLS include compression?
[12:08:52] <Guus> not everyone uses TLS-compression
[12:10:02] <Alex> Guus: first compressed, then encrypted
[12:10:11] <Alex> Tls is the higher layer
[12:10:28] <Guus> which way around :)
[12:10:42] <Alex> compression is on the XMPP layer, encryption in the TLS layer
[12:10:46] <Guus> if I get an incoming stream, I first uncompress, then unencrypt?
[12:11:10] <Alex> no, vice versa
[12:11:12] <Kev> Well, you unwrap it according to the nesting of the negotiated streams.
[12:11:27] <Kev> But it's going to be compression inside encryption.
[12:11:36] <Kev> Encrypted data don't compress.
[12:11:46] <Guus> ah, true
[12:12:09] <Guus> sorry, staring blind for to long - obvious things slip my mind :)
[12:12:31] <Guus> thanks guys
[12:14:05] <Alex> but it would be interesting to see which Tls stacks use compression and which don't
[12:19:58] <Guus> bleh. I had it right all along
[12:20:02] <Guus> but just on the incoming stream
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[12:20:46] <Guus> nothing tops #jdev to regain a little perspective ;)
[12:21:02] <Alex> Guus: on what are you working on?
[12:21:44] <Guus> I'm re-doing parts of Smack
[12:21:58] <Kev> Hoorah :)
[12:22:02] <Kev> Have you fixed SRV?
[12:22:15] <Guus> I wasn't aware that is was broken?
[12:22:22] <Kev> It does exactly the wrong thing with priority.
[12:22:31] <Guus> (I'm not really the maintainer of Smack... just wanted to get something out of the way)
[12:22:39] <Kev> It always picks the server it should pick last, first.
[12:22:46] <Guus> heh, that's nasty
[12:22:51] <Guus> did someone raise a bug?
[12:23:02] <Kev> No idea.
[12:23:07] <Guus> lemmechck
[12:23:16] <Kev> Didn't seem much point when Smack seemed to be abandonware.
[12:24:03] <Alex> I thought there was a successor of smack
[12:24:15] <Guus> not as far as I know
[12:24:17] <petermount> I gave up on smack years ago when I found it leaked memory with muc
[12:24:21] <Guus> there's a new Android lib based on smack
[12:25:13] <Kev> asmack, yes.
[12:25:43] <Alex> and what is Tinder?
[12:25:57] <Guus> Tinder is just the guts of Openfire, really
[12:26:10] <Guus> it's XMPP-object implementation
[12:26:21] <Guus> it has no shared codebase with Smack
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[12:26:53] <Guus> Kev: http://issues.igniterealtime.org/browse/SMACK-225
[12:27:00] <Guus> the 'fix' is somewhat of a workaround
[12:27:09] <Guus> but appears to be checked in
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[12:27:37] <Guus> if you want to check it out, you can grab a nightly from http://bamboo.igniterealtime.org/
[12:27:43] <Kev> I was fairly sure when I checked the source that it was doing it all backwards.
[12:27:54] <Kev> Let's see if I've got a local checkout.
[12:27:56] <Guus> when did you check?
[12:28:10] <Kev> 3.1.0 I expect.
[12:28:44] <Guus> the latest release
[12:28:48] <Guus> nov '08
[12:29:05] <Guus> the issue was worked on later
[12:29:18] <Kev> Fair enough.
[12:30:27] <Guus> I'm actually talking to someone who's going to do a new release of Smack
[12:30:37] <Guus> to at least get a current build out
[12:30:39] <petermount> the latest release was '08 - now I see why kev thought it was abandonware...
[12:30:52] <Guus> I didn't claim it was not :D
[12:31:04] <Kev> Thanks for checking for me:)
[12:31:10] <Guus> still, people use it. It'd be nice to keep supporting it
[12:31:11] <Alex> never change a running system ;-)
[12:31:45] <petermount> alex: the key on not **ing things up ;-)
[12:34:04] <Alex> as long as the source repository compiles well and gets updated I have no problems with this.
[12:34:17] <Alex> I don't release that often as well
[12:35:42] <petermount> alex: yes, if a snapshot (in maven terms) compiles thats always an option, but it's not guaranteed to be stable. Even then no release in 2 years isn't great although I've seen apache project be older than that between releases.
[12:36:16] <petermount> the problem is that too quick or too long between release can send out the wrong message unfortunately :-(
[12:37:18] <Guus> as long as people are happy with the latest release...
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[12:57:43] <MattJ> Nothing wrong with frequent releases :)
[13:00:55] <petermount> it depends on how frequent ;-)
[13:04:55] <MattJ> We do nightly builds ;)
[13:05:12] <Kev> Swift has nightly builds, too, but they're not exactly releases.
[13:05:34] <petermount> yes, being a maven user those would be snapshot builds, not releases ;-)
[13:06:18] <MattJ> They're releases alright, they have a number :)
[13:06:41] <MattJ> They're just not /stable/ releases (usually)
[13:06:52] <MattJ> We have nightly builds of each branch, so there are stable nightlies in a way
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[16:54:38] <Zash> Okay, why is there a iphone theme on xmpp.org?
[16:56:07] <Kev> ?
[16:56:37] <Zash> Hm, gone now
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