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[07:13:23] <Vijay> testing
[07:14:19] <Vijay> Any one can know how to delete user from server through C#???
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[10:26:22] <clinton41480> Hello
[10:28:27] <clinton41480> I registered three days ago. My password was never accepted for login. I'm sure about my password. What could be done ?
[10:28:47] <Kev> Tell me what your account is, and see if I can help.
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[10:34:08] <clinton41480> FernandoBasso is my login.
[10:35:29] <Kev> Oh, you're using a client that supports SCRAM, cool.
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[10:36:21] <clinton41480> I sent an email to stpeter@jabber.org two days ago. No help yet.
[10:37:02] <Kev> Can you tell me how many characters you think your password should have, please?
[10:37:05] <clinton41480> What is SCRAM. (I'm running archlinux and chatting through chromium)
[10:37:19] <clinton41480> Let me count
[10:37:21] <Kev> SCRAM's an authentication method.
[10:37:30] <Kev> You don't need to worry about it, was just making conversation.
[10:37:40] <clinton41480> kev: you mean, how many characters my original password has ?
[10:37:46] <Kev> Yes.
[10:37:56] <Kev> I think it was damaged by escaping when you registered.
[10:38:37] <clinton41480> 11 chars. The 7th char is upper case.
[10:38:52] <Kev> Try logging in now.
[10:40:34] <clinton41480> Kev: I am logged in.
[10:40:35] <clinton41480> :D
[10:40:39] <clinton41480> Thanks so much.
[10:41:03] <Kev> Great, sorry about the confusion - could you follow up with Peter saying you don't need a reset, please? Else he might reset your password when he gets time.
[10:41:24] <clinton41480> Okay.
[10:41:31] <clinton41480> Thanks once more.
[10:42:23] <clinton41480> And please, don't be sorry.
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[10:48:26] <nixon8047> Thanks a lot. Bye.
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[13:30:00] <nixon22700> I'm trying to understand how to implement invisible presence
[13:30:05] <nixon22700> is XEP-0186 the way to go?
[13:30:29] <nixon22700> XEP-0018 seems more intuitive but it says it has been rejected (not sure why)
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[13:30:46] <Kev> I don't know of any servers implementing 186
[13:31:13] <nixon22700> ejabberd used to implement 0018 but removed it in recent version
[13:31:25] <Kev> 18 is rfc-incompatible.
[13:31:28] <nixon22700> do you know if other servers support 0018 or something else?
[13:31:44] <nixon22700> what is incompatible in it?
[13:31:48] <Kev> I think no modern server supports 18
[13:32:07] <Kev> The RFC defines the allowable 'type' attributes for a presence stanza, and invisible isn't one of tehm.
[13:32:13] <Kev> s/tehm/them/
[13:32:44] <nixon22700> so there is no bad logic behind 18 just the fact that invisible is not in the rfc?
[13:33:09] <nixon22700> couldn't the rfc be updated instead of creating non intuitive new xep?
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[13:33:42] <nixon22700> google talk has invisible presence and it is probably with 18 or similar but not IQ based
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[13:33:51] <Kev> No, RFCs never get updated.
[13:33:54] <Kev> Only replaced.
[13:34:04] <Kev> (Unlike XEPs)
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[13:34:15] <Kev> At least, I believe this to be the case.
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[13:34:36] <nixon22700> I read that the whole xmpp specs are being heavily reviewed. is it still on?
[13:34:45] <nixon22700> ok, replaced/updated doesn't matter
[13:35:08] <Kev> Yes, they're going to enter last call soon.
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[13:35:31] <nixon22700> are they replacing the rfc or just xeps?
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[13:35:41] <Kev> The RFCs do allow you to be invisible, by the way.
[13:35:56] <nixon22700> by privacy lists?
[13:36:03] <Kev> No, privacy lists have been removed.
[13:36:08] <Kev> By not sending initial presence.
[13:36:38] <nixon22700> sound simple
[13:36:56] <nixon22700> and when you are available and want to become invisible?
[13:37:03] <Kev> send unavailable.
[13:37:07] <nixon22700> you just send unavailable presence?
[13:37:18] <nixon22700> so why do we need xep-0186?
[13:37:25] <nixon22700> or xep 18?
[13:38:03] <Kev> Some people want to have other people not see them online, while themselves seeing who is online.
[13:38:16] <nixon22700> that's what invisible means
[13:38:26] <Kev> No, invisible means you can't be seen.
[13:38:38] <Kev> People just expect to still be able to see other people :)
[13:38:57] <nixon22700> that's what people means in chat when they say invisible
[13:39:01] <Kev> In any case, both 18 and 186 kinda achieve this.
[13:39:10] <nixon22700> that's what invisible in google talk is
[13:39:23] <Kev> People can still tell you're online if they want to, but they won't know by default.
[13:39:31] <nixon22700> why privacy lists been removed and is there something instead?
[13:39:43] <nixon22700> how? by sending a probe?
[13:39:52] <Kev> Privacy lists were removed as being complicated and unnecessary - 191 is the simple replacement.
[13:40:13] <Kev> No, their server can monitor for probes and use those to tell when you're online.
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[13:40:49] <nixon22700> assuming the servers play nice the end user can't know about other invisible users
[13:41:17] <Kev> Correct.
[13:41:40] <Kev> But as I e.g. control my own server, I could tell when people were invisible if I wanted.
[13:42:11] <nixon22700> if you control facebook's server you can tell when someone cheating his wife
[13:42:29] <nixon22700> if you control a bank server you can still a user's account details...
[13:42:52] <nixon22700> I guess I'll implement invisible presence instead of using IQ which feels weird
[13:42:54] <Kev> Not exactly.
[13:43:03] <nixon22700> why not?
[13:43:08] <Kev> If I control *my* bank, I can't see *your* account details.
[13:43:24] <Kev> If I control my server, I can see other users' invisible status.
[13:43:54] <nixon22700> ok
[13:44:24] <Kev> Note that if you use XEP-0018, a server or client can legitimately close the stream and refuse to talk to you.
[13:45:01] <Kev> I don't know that any will, but it's a valid thing to do if you send invalid protocol.
[13:45:05] <nixon22700> that's reasonable
[13:45:21] <nixon22700> is there somewhere to see the new xeps?
[13:45:34] <nixon22700> I mean the outcome of the intensive rewrites?
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[13:45:42] <Kev> 3920bis and 3921bis
[13:45:49] <Kev> Google will help you with either.
[13:46:52] <nixon22700> thanks searching
[13:48:03] <nixon22700> it's weird that invisible wasn't considered in the new rfc...
[13:48:49] <Kev> It doesn't need to be in the RFC, there's XEP-0186 :)
[13:49:24] <nixon22700> xep-0186 is weird
[13:49:35] <nixon22700> using IQ to set a presence?
[13:49:47] <Kev> invisible isn't a presence, though.
[13:49:48] <nixon22700> you can also use IQ to send a muc message
[13:50:17] <nixon22700> it is a presence of you send it as <presence type="invisible>
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[17:41:11] <Vanaryon> Hello everybody
[17:41:58] <Vanaryon> I just wanted to ask an important question for me: do all the XMPP clients/servers support DNS SRV entries for XMPP?
[17:42:16] <Kev> Yes.
[17:42:23] <Kev> If they don't, it's not XMPP :)
[17:42:24] <Tanguy> Yes I think.
[17:42:39] <Vanaryon> Mhh, I believe the XMPP-only clients support it
[17:42:41] <Tanguy> A client or server that would not support them would be almost unusable.
[17:42:51] <Vanaryon> But well, I'm thinking of little clients
[17:43:00] <Vanaryon> Tanguy, yeah, of course
[17:44:24] <Vanaryon> All right :) I think I will remove the ugly im. before my XMPP server's domain ;)
[17:44:50] <Vanaryon> I was asking this because the server aims at providing XMPP accounts for a large public
[17:45:23] <Kev> Vanaryon: Google Talk only works if you do SRV, if it helps put your mind at ease.
[17:45:42] <Vanaryon> Kev, I was thinking about it
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[17:46:01] <Vanaryon> When big services use something, you're sure the others will follow it :)
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[20:32:23] <pavlix@pavlix.net> hello folks
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[21:00:39] <pavlix@pavlix.net> .
[21:01:08] <pavlix@pavlix.net> hi HedgeMage
[21:01:28] <HedgeMage> hi, pavlix@pavlix.net
[21:01:31] <HedgeMage> long time no see :)
[21:01:33] <HedgeMage> What's up?
[21:01:45] <pavlix@pavlix.net> lots of things :)
[21:01:58] <pavlix@pavlix.net> HedgeMage: too many to talk about :D
[21:02:10] <HedgeMage> :o
[21:02:13] <HedgeMage> what's the short list
[21:02:15] <HedgeMage> brb phone
[21:03:10] <pavlix@pavlix.net> HedgeMage: ok
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[21:15:14] <HedgeMage> pavlix@pavlix.net, I'm back now.
[21:15:17] <HedgeMage> Sorry about that.
[21:15:27] <HedgeMage> My mom was calling to see how LF did on his test at school today.
[21:15:32] <HedgeMage> (and chitchat, etc.)
[21:15:43] <pavlix@pavlix.net> back here
[21:15:45] <pavlix@pavlix.net> :(
[21:15:46] <pavlix@pavlix.net> :)
[21:16:15] <pavlix@pavlix.net> HedgeMage: lots of stuff, new girlfriend, new work projects, lots of fun :)
[21:16:26] <pavlix@pavlix.net> HedgeMage: new cat, he should not be forgotten
[21:16:31] <HedgeMage> hehe, neat
[21:17:11] <pavlix@pavlix.net> we were chasing each other just before u went to the computer
[21:18:16] <HedgeMage> lol
[21:18:26] <HedgeMage> You and the girlfriend or you and the cat?
[21:19:48] <pavlix@pavlix.net> me and the cat :)
[21:22:07] <HedgeMage> :)
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[21:34:04] <pavlix@pavlix.net> HedgeMage: but he's sleeping now
[21:34:20] <HedgeMage> aww
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[21:58:53] <niekie> Hey HedgeMage :)
[21:59:15] <niekie> Also, welcome back Kev :)
[22:01:18] <HedgeMage> hi, niekie :)
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