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[09:57:00] <dwd> Anyone know of a client that supports XEP-0191?
[09:57:45] <johnny> anyone know of a client that supports [xep 191]
[09:57:50] <johnny> ah.. hal fail
[09:57:52] <johnny> :(
[09:57:58] <Tobias> i don't know of one
[09:58:34] <teo1> /me did implemented 191 in the tclxmpp library but didn't create ui for tkabber
[09:58:46] <Guus> !XEP0191
[09:58:55] <Guus> !XEP-0191
[09:59:03] <Guus> (what's the freakin' syntax again?)
[09:59:06] <Tobias> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0191.html
[09:59:16] <Guus> ah, tx
[09:59:21] <Guus> no, don't know any, sorry :)
[09:59:22] <Tobias> Guus: it was correct..i'm just a bit laggy
[09:59:29] <Guus> hehehe
[10:00:43] <johnny> Guus, it's just !xep 191, but the bot is not here
[10:01:30] <Guus> Tobias fills in that void perfectly though ;)
[10:02:05] <Tobias> maybe we should write up a XEP that integrates XEP linking in the clients ;)
[10:03:34] <teo1> Tobias: tkabber creates nice link from xep-191
[10:03:46] <Tobias> teo1: in tkabber?
[10:04:07] <Tobias> ah..sorry for that redundant question ;)
[10:04:13] <Tobias> not fully awake yet
[10:04:19] <teo1> Tobias: and from rfc3920
[10:04:25] <Tobias> cool
[10:04:29] <teo1> and from anything you want
[10:04:43] <Tobias> where does it link "anything you want" to?
[10:04:57] <teo1> Tobias: to anything you specify :)
[10:05:23] <teo1> mine links ejab-1234 to ejabberd bug
[10:05:35] <teo1> and #123456 to a debian bug
[10:10:23] <johnny> mattj, didn't he do a server side implementation?
[10:10:35] <johnny> but i guess i haven't heard a client side implemenation for gajim
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[11:58:29] <dwd> teo1, No need to link to your own bugs, because you don't have any?
[11:58:54] <teo1> /me's code is perfect!
[11:59:18] <dwd> teo1, Same here. Just a shame that the compiler doesn't seem to know this, yet.
[11:59:20] <teo1> or nobody uses it to find bugs
[11:59:53] <teo1> /me avoids compilers :)
[12:00:04] <dwd> /me finds shouting at the compiler doesn't make it work, either.
[12:01:23] <dwd> teo1, Isode still ships Tcl stuff. Even Tcl/Tk, though the GUI stuff is being phased out now. I try to keep away from it if at all possible.
[12:02:31] <teo1> heh
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[12:17:32] <Guus> what's the maximum size of individual MUC rooms in your setup? asin, usage: how many people crawl into one room?
[12:17:41] <Guus> (anyone?)
[12:18:45] <teo1> Guus: i don't hold any rooms, but i saw a room with about 300 people it it
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[12:25:52] <Guus> k, tx
[12:27:02] <louiz’> teo1, really? Where? I never saw above ~20 participants
[12:28:13] <Zash> there's 25 here :P
[12:28:20] <Tobias> louiz’: we once had 40 people in jdev at least..and in some IETF meeting around their conferences you can get even twice or three times as much
[12:28:21] <teo1> i don't remember the exact jid
[12:28:57] <teo1> louiz’: you could look at http://jc.jabber.ru/
[12:29:53] <louiz’> thank you
[12:30:18] <ermine> teo1: online@conference.radio-t.com
[12:30:21] <louiz’> too bad it's in russian :p
[12:30:47] <teo1> ermine: aha, thanks
[12:31:22] <teo1> louiz’: jids are in latin, numbers are arabic :)
[12:31:49] <louiz’> hum, I think jids aren't in any language :p
[12:32:24] <louiz’> plus, I do understand jids and numbers. Not russian text
[12:33:07] <teo1> louiz’: more accurately, jids fit latin unicode page
[12:33:33] <louiz’> yes
[12:33:36] <teo1> louiz’: the first number is the current participants number in the room
[12:34:16] <louiz’> Yeah, and that's ordered by that number, so the first room is the most interesting
[12:34:28] <louiz’> what are the second and third columns?
[12:34:52] <teo1> average people today and yesterday
[12:35:05] <teo1> i don't know how exactly they're counted
[12:35:13] <louiz’> ok
[12:35:44] <louiz’> I'm jealous :( Russians are very into Jabber
[12:35:53] <louiz’> Unlike french
[12:40:45] <teo1> louiz’: on the other hand russians already started to face spam, message flood etc. in jabber, so the less jabber users community the better
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[12:42:15] <louiz’> well, not really. I would prefer to have more people in the french rooms…
[12:43:48] <louiz’> but, how do they handle the spam, etc?
[12:44:29] <teo1> for now by blocking spammers
[12:44:51] <louiz’> In an automated fashion?
[12:44:52] <teo1> at the server level if possible
[12:44:55] <teo1> no
[12:45:31] <louiz’> ok. mod_captcha (for mucs) would be useful to prevent spam…
[12:46:03] <louiz’> but that's also boring to fill a captcha each time you join a room
[12:46:37] <teo1> yes, captcha is used too
[12:47:01] <louiz’> A great thing would be to have a captcha if you're not yet a member, and nothing if you're one.
[12:48:51] <teo1> i would say that captcha for members and admins is ridiculous
[12:49:47] <louiz’> yes. :p
[12:50:07] <Zash> louiz’: Like the gajim room then :)
[12:51:13] <louiz’> Oh, then I'm not a member of this room, because I get the captcha each time! :(
[12:51:24] <louiz’> oh, well, nevermind…
[12:51:32] <louiz’> I'm not using my regular JID…
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[12:58:21] <louiz`> louiz’, I think you might want to check security on your server, though.
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[13:01:04] <louiz’> louiz`, why?
[13:01:17] <louiz'> o_O
[13:01:31] <louiz`> louiz’, I'm using it...
[13:01:41] <louiz’> that's not forbidden…
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[13:04:08] <louiz`> Well, obviously, but I'm not sure that's a great idea. Means I could go spam places, and your server's jid would be everywhere.
[13:05:03] <Zash> Anyone started implementing [xep 275] yet? :/
[13:05:19] <Zash> HAL? Kanchil?
[13:05:22] <dwd> Zash, Yeah, I've made a start to it.
[13:05:41] <Zash> :D
[13:07:05] <dwd> Zash, Nothing like ready, mind - mainly because I've not done the PubSub/PEP interactions yet.
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[13:10:09] <dwd> So, which one was that leaving?
[13:10:59] <Zash> Wait, PubSub?
[13:12:09] <louiz’> MD" Means I could go spam places, and your server's jid would be everywhere." ← You could do that with any server…
[13:12:13] <louiz’> -MD
[13:12:40] <Zash> louiz’: .. that has open registration
[13:15:01] <louiz’> well, yeah. Most of the servers have open registration, no?
[13:16:03] <Zash> It's discouraged, at least without some kind of captcha
[13:20:03] <louiz’> Where is this stated?
[13:23:35] <Zash> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0205.html I think
[13:24:04] <Zash> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0205.html#rec-stanzas ← there
[13:24:41] <louiz’> It's encouraged, for a server implementation, to let the server admin have the possibility to disable registration
[13:24:56] <louiz’> It's not talking about what the admin should choose
[13:25:01] <louiz’> If I understand well
[13:26:15] <dwd> louiz’, The numbers of servers with XEP-0077 style open registration is dropping all the time. There's even talk of blacklisting the remaining ones, although as far as I know, nobody's tried that.
[13:27:00] <dwd> Zash, And yes, PubSub has XEP-0175 interactions, since subscriptions become session-delimited.
[13:27:00] <louiz’> How do you register without open registration?
[13:27:10] <dwd> louiz’, Same way as on jabber.org.
[13:27:46] <Zash> dwd: I meant 275, not 175
[13:28:06] <Zash> since there was discussion of captchas and spam
[13:28:09] <dwd> Zash, Ah, I misread. :-)
[13:28:16] <Zash> XEP-0275: Entity Reputation :P
[13:28:29] <dwd> Ah!
[13:28:46] <dwd> MattJ was looking at implementing that, I think.
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[15:41:19] <dwd> stpeter, Another day, another ProtoXEP. Also got another one in the pipeline, might finish it tonight.
[15:53:38] <stpeter> I was thinking this morning that I never published the mobile one -- right?
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[16:04:35] <stpeter> dwd: in receipt
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