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[13:42:16] <louiz> is this room publicly logged? I see no warning when entering the room. But logs are available here: http://logs.jabber.org/jdev@conference.jabber.org/
[13:42:31] <louiz> though, no recent logs are available. So the question would be: is this room STILL logged?
[13:42:43] <MattJ> Short answer: yes
[13:43:54] <louiz> But where are the logs? :o
[13:44:18] <Tobias> logs.jabber.org/new
[13:44:52] <louiz> oh ok, thanks.
[13:45:26] <louiz> I just wanted to know if I could use this room for the screenshots of my clients :p Now I know that I can.
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[14:26:30] <louiz> well, I don't seem to receive any warning about the room being publicly logged :/
[14:26:46] <louiz> not even a <status code=170 />
[14:26:58] <Kev> The room doesn't know that it's publicly logged.
[14:27:12] <louiz> ah
[14:27:37] <louiz> it's logged by a bot or something?
[14:28:01] <Kev> The room is privately logged, and then I have some xslt, rsync and cronjobs to pull stuff out of the server's archive onto
the web.
[14:28:30] <louiz> OK. Then the warning is just in the topic :p
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[14:29:19] <Zash> why doesn't the topic poin to current logs?
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[14:34:05] <Zash> oh, would you look at that! http://github.com/cswetenham/js2lua
[14:34:27] <Tobias> Zash: because no one set it to the new log
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[14:42:13] <will.thompson> sorry for bounciness, train-3g at work ;'(
[14:45:19] <MattJ> will.thompson, XEP-0198, XEP-0198, XEP-0198... :)
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[14:47:59] <jonas> !xep 198
[14:48:00] <Kanchil> jonas: XEP-0198: Stream Management is Standards Track (Draft, 2009-06-17) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0198.html
[14:50:32] <MattJ> jonas, allows you resume a dropped connection
[14:50:36] <MattJ> among other things
[14:52:30] <louiz> that's nice :o
[14:52:56] <MattJ> +1
[14:55:22] <MattJ> I'm just trying to get client devs to implement it :)
[14:55:37] <Tobias> heh
[14:55:51] <jonas> MattJ, how is it going?
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[14:56:02] <louiz> I did read the XEP (not the time). Does this involve work in current servers (ejabberd, prosody, etc), or is it already possible?
[14:56:10] <louiz> it did NOT read the XEP*
[14:56:11] <MattJ> jonas, ask Tobias - he's adding it to Psi :)
[14:56:26] <MattJ> louiz, it requires server support
[14:56:36] <jonas> i mean, how many have you convinsed? :p
[14:56:57] <MattJ> jonas, they all think it's a good thing to do, but getting anyone to actually DO it... :)
[14:57:07] <louiz> ok
[14:57:42] <MattJ> But it looks like Psi is going to be first
[14:57:47] <MattJ> But sadly I don't use Psi
[14:58:20] <Zash> :(
[14:58:27] <MattJ> My library already supports it though, since I used that to test the server implementation
[14:58:37] <louiz> What is your lib?
[14:58:45] <MattJ> http://code.matthewwild.co.uk/verse
[14:58:46] <Tobias> verse
[14:58:52] <louiz> oh, ok yeah.
[14:59:17] <louiz> But prosody in itself doesn't support that, does it?
[14:59:18] <Kev> MattJ: Swift's committed to doing it, just need some other stuff doe first.
[14:59:33] <Tobias> louiz: there're modules for it
[14:59:46] <louiz> great
[14:59:53] <MattJ> I'm still considering writing a XEP-0198 proxy
[15:00:03] <MattJ> So you would connect to localhost with your client
[15:00:08] <Tobias> louiz: and after some nagging they even worked quite good :D
[15:00:18] <MattJ> and it would automatically reconnect to the server for you if you got disconnected
[15:00:27] <Tobias> MattJ: what if you have lost packets and unstable connection to localhost? :)
[15:00:43] <MattJ> Tobias, then you should stop using Windows? :)
[15:00:43] <Kev> That's backwards though, you need to have the 198 proxy on the same machine as the server, not as the client.
[15:00:51] <Kev> Oh, right.
[15:00:55] <Kev> You mean to get client support.
[15:01:05] <MattJ> Kev, we /could/ do it both sides :P
[15:01:06] <Kev> I was thinking of using it to get server support.
[15:01:18] <MattJ> But it's easier if people just switch their servers to Prosody, really :)
[15:01:27] <Kev> Yeeeeees.
[15:01:32] <Zash> Let's have it on every switch and router on teh intarwebz!
[15:01:41] <MattJ> Working on it!
[15:01:42] <louiz> Yes, I'm willing to…
[15:02:01] <MattJ> We've actually been discussing adding SCTP support
[15:02:08] <MattJ> that should make things interesting :)
[15:02:39] <jonas> shouldnt SCTP be added to XMPP first? (or is it being added?)
[15:02:47] <MattJ> Added where?
[15:02:54] <Tobias> i guess he means in the RFC
[15:02:55] <jonas> as some kind of spec
[15:03:01] <jonas> yes i do indeed
[15:03:04] <MattJ> and what would the spec say about it?
[15:03:06] <Tobias> but we should test in in the field first imo
[15:03:28] <jonas> like "please use port x" and some things about the channels i would assume
[15:03:41] <MattJ> I'd imagine it would just use the same ports
[15:03:52] <MattJ> and SRV records are obvious... _xmpp-*._sctp
[15:03:53] <jonas> that's probably, but not specified
[15:04:27] <MattJ> I still don't really see that it needs to be
[15:04:43] <jonas> also about channels, what can be sent and how, and wher things can be replied and where not, could be written about
[15:05:16] <jonas> there is for TCP, then there should be for SCTP as well
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[15:07:27] <MattJ> But there's nothing in XMPP that depends on TCP, and SCTP is less of a step than say, BOSH
[15:07:32] <Tobias> jonas: but yeah..if things been tested and so RFC/XEP describing usage and discussing the situation might be useful
[15:08:18] <jonas> yes, i agree :)
[15:08:26] <MattJ> Good :)
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[21:37:26] <Zash> Hm, reading about SCTP on wp, it talks about messages and chunks. Does that mean you can put a stanza in a message and you
[21:37:34] <Zash> 'll know when it's been deliverd
[21:39:21] <Tobias> for XMPP it doesn't matter since it's stream oriented
[21:39:42] <Tobias> meaning software uses parsers which can handle incomplete stanzas
[21:44:05] <Zash> if 1 stanza goes in 1 message (which gets split into chunks which go into ip packets) and the stanza isn't handed to the parser
untill it's completed ..
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[22:00:34] <Tobias> SCTP still can guarantee in order delivery of messages
[22:02:19] <Tobias> so it doesn't really matter how you split things up..however one can always experiment to see what works best
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[22:24:48] <Zash> But some stanzas could be processed out of order without breaking things right, so some fancy multithreaded routing could
be possible :)
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[22:38:50] <Tobias> on a per stream level you have to keep things in order according to RFC
[22:40:47] <darco> As long as the order of stanzas between any two XMPP entities are delivered in order, everything should be OK. You could possibly
bend this rule a little bit for presence (ie: possibly dropping a presence update) without causing too much havoc, as long
as stanzas never arrive out-of-order.
[22:42:27] <Tobias> yeah..presence has a special role in some sense there
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