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[10:59:04] <MattJ> Ok, so the ejabberd PEP bug I was complaining about yesterday
[10:59:10] <MattJ> is actually a feature!!
[10:59:34] <MattJ> I could cry, really
[11:03:21] <Tobias> heh
[11:03:42] <dwd> I can't say more than I've said on the list. I don't see how this is conforming to the spec.
[11:03:46] <Kev> Pubsub subscriptions whether you want them or not.
[11:04:07] <Kev> I think the general term for this sort of thing on The Internet is 'spam'
[11:04:35] <MattJ> Kev, indeed... I'm tempted to add yet another ejabberd "compatibility" feature to Prosody
[11:04:46] <MattJ> I mean, it's affecting me, that's how I noticed it
[11:04:56] <Kev> Well, it makes it easier to detect spammy servers and block them, yes.
[11:05:01] <MattJ> I'm working on mobile stuff, and I kept receiving PEP events on my mobile despite not asking for them
[11:05:04] <Kev> This seems the right course of action to me.
[11:06:09] <MattJ> It's not hard to detect PEP events to the bare JID
[11:06:24] <dwd> True, but we really shouldn't be doing it.
[11:06:49] <MattJ> and your alternative solution is?
[11:06:57] <dwd> And as I say, you can't tell the difference between PEP and PubSub very easily unless you assume all node@domain should be filtered.
[11:07:02] <dwd> Peer controls?
[11:07:15] <Kev> MattJ: If you detect a server is spamming you, block it. Problem solved.
[11:07:26] <MattJ> Yeah, right, but back in the real world... :)
[11:07:57] <Kev> I'm actually only being slightly tongue-in-cheek aboutthis.
[11:08:03] <Kev> This is essentially a spam attack.
[11:08:28] <MattJ> I understand, but users won't be tongue in cheek when they ask why they can't talk to most contacts on other servers
[11:09:05] <Kev> Right, but it needs someone to convince ejabberd to fix it, rather than adding support for their BSO-PEP.
[11:09:35] <dwd> If I were inclined, I'd detect ejabberd and drop pubsub drop it.
[11:10:50] <dwd> drop events, rather.
[11:11:09] <MattJ> and if I were to release a Prosody version that did this, it'd achieve what? :)
[11:11:15] <MattJ> It would be breaking the XMPP routing rules
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[12:32:20] <Kev> Haha.
[12:32:40] <Zash> haHA?
[12:34:19] <Kev> ww.
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[13:41:53] <dwd> On a PEP service, do *all* subscriptions have filtered-notificiations applied to them, or only those through the auto-subscribe?
[13:42:59] <MattJ> Only those through auto-subscribe AIUI
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[13:43:08] <dwd> Right, that's what I thought.
[13:43:12] <MattJ> "A PEP service MUST support the "filtered-notifications" feature defined in Section 9.2 of XEP-0060. This implies that when an automatic subscriber can specify which event payloads it wants to receive by including appropriate feature bundles in the XEP-0115 information it broadcasts."
[13:43:14] <dwd> Since otherwise it makes no sense.
[13:43:22] <dwd> Right, thanks.
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[17:53:10] <MattJ> /me hunts down smoku next
[17:55:54] <MattJ> !xmpp-core
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[18:00:20] <Kev> MattJ: oh?
[18:01:10] <MattJ> Kev, with any luck he's just testing stuff, and it's a mistake - with less luck it's released code and he insists it isn't a bug
[18:01:24] <MattJ> but a connection was made to my server with a strange from attribute on the stream header
[18:01:39] <MattJ> from='remotedomain/mydomain'
[18:02:07] <Kev> Ah.
[18:02:07] <MattJ> But latest bis: "For initial stream headers in server-to-server communication, a server MUST include the 'from' attribute and MUST set the value to the domainpart of the 'from' attribute of the stanza that caused the stream to be established"
[18:02:57] <MattJ> Seems I had him in the roster of one of my old accounts, but I guess he's offline at the moment
[18:03:39] <Tobias> MattJ: luckily he's in this room quite frequently
[18:03:52] <MattJ> I hadn't noticed him for a while, so wasn't sure
[18:03:56] <MattJ> I know he's about on and off
[18:04:15] <Kev> Just had a great bug report for Swift, seems we don't request the roster on a re-connect, and no-one's ever noticed :)
[18:04:19] <MattJ> :P
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[18:08:39] <MattJ> Prosody assigned that connection the id "s2sinbeef920", it seems
[18:08:45] <Zash> hahah
[18:10:12] <Kev> And excellent id.
[18:11:18] <Kev> s/And/An/
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