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[06:37:08] <NebuK> heho
[06:48:32] <Creation> hello there
[06:52:56] <NebuK> :)
[06:53:06] <NebuK> i am currently looking for one of my oldest problems with jabber (in general)
[06:53:50] <NebuK> which is - i have a client in a detached screen on my home router running all the time
[06:54:18] <NebuK> now, if i want mobile jabber access on my smartphone i generally use ssh to that router - which isn't really convenient, as
controlling screen/mcabber from a smartphone keyboard isn't exactly fun
[06:56:05] <NebuK> so i was looking for jabber clients - there was a nice one, i connected it
[06:56:35] <NebuK> and soon thought "oh darn, whats with the messages sent to the other client still running detached at home" - i cannot just
log in on my mobile and check for new messages in jabber
[06:56:43] <NebuK> cause my other client already "ate" them
[06:57:27] <NebuK> also, when i try chatting with someone (mobile) while the other client is still running - some of the "other sides" (friends
clients') still send messages to my client at home (so on the mobile it looks like noone's replying) while some others do
it right
[06:57:42] <NebuK> is there some general pattern for solution for that problem?
[06:58:51] <NebuK> like, when no online (just away) clients are attached the server buffers the message and sends it to every client - when a
new client comes online (in any status) it gets send the message too - whenever a client comes totally online (not status:away)
it is checked whether that one has all messages and the buffer is cleared
[06:58:54] <NebuK> something like that Oo
[06:59:37] <NebuK> ideally with a implementation for ejabberd :)
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[07:30:38] <Kev> NebuK: There are solutions to that problem. I think I'll write up an informational XEP at some point.
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[07:52:06] <NebuK> Kev: that'd be so nice :)
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[08:01:15] <Tanguy> NebuK, do not you simply want to play with resource priorities?
[08:03:40] <Kev_> Tanguy: Priorities don't give you a nice user experience.
[08:03:51] <Kev_> And as noted, some clients don't do chat binding correctly.
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[08:10:16] <Tanguy> Kev_, this is a client problem, ne need for a XEP or whatever, I think.
[08:10:24] <Tanguy> Just to fix the clients.
[08:11:46] <Kev_> I think that still doesn't give a nice UE for multiple clients.
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[08:16:29] <NebuK> mh
[08:16:57] <NebuK> tanguy: priorities wouldn't give anything like the "i can be sure that all the messages arrive at the first online client",
no?
[08:17:36] <Kev_> 'first online'?
[08:18:31] <NebuK> first one thats not away/etc
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[08:18:47] <Kev_> With sufficient effort, and if everyone implements chat resource binding as the latest 3921bis suggests (no-one, or almost
no-one does), as long as you want some messages to go to everyone, and some messages to only go to one client, you can ensure
that all messages at least go to the client you want them to.
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[08:19:08] <Kev_> (with priorities)
[08:19:18] <NebuK> hmmm
[08:20:01] <NebuK> i'm wondering about a kind of proxy/bouncer solution
[08:20:19] <NebuK> that has a list of messages and buffers them until every resource (it knows about all) has each message
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[08:20:56] <Kev_> Technically possible, but you're essentially writing your own (router part of an) xmpp server.
[08:21:08] <NebuK> mh, yeah ;/ quite complicated to do right i guess
[08:21:08] <lurker6264> Hi
[08:21:10] <Kev_> Would be easier to just hack the server to send every message to every resource.
[08:21:18] <NebuK> mhh
[08:21:34] <NebuK> problem with that - you'd have to learn that kind of strange academic language - erlang
[08:21:38] <NebuK> to hack ejabberd at least
[08:22:12] <Kev_> I didn't think people in academia used Erlang. Maybe they do, just not the academics I know.
[08:22:15] <lurker6264> is it possible to deactivate 'add user authorization requests' at the server ??
[08:23:01] <Kev_> Depends on the server. It isn't at jabber.org
[08:23:32] <NebuK> kev_: i always thought of erlang as academia only before i learnt about ejabberd :)
[08:23:55] <NebuK> but you're probably right
[08:23:59] <NebuK> i should dive into ejabberd
[08:24:03] <Kev_> NebuK: You could be right, I just never came across it in academia - ejabberd (and associated) is the only thing I've bumped
into, real-world or not.
[08:24:17] <Kev_> Even Lua I've at least bumped into i na few places :)
[08:24:36] <NebuK> hehe
[08:24:43] <NebuK> yeah, lua seems to be used everywhere
[08:24:50] <NebuK> i just don't understand why
[08:25:22] <lurker6264> no i have a server on my intranet for around 100 users..
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[08:25:37] <Kev_> Oh, you want to disable it for everyone?
[08:25:42] <lurker6264> ya
[08:25:54] <Kev_> I don't know of any server that allows that.
[08:25:58] <lurker6264> coz this is intranet.. for an organization..
[08:26:13] <Kev_> Do you just want them not to add each other, or not add people outside the network?
[08:26:13] <MattJ> Sending to every resource is a few-line patch to Prosody's mod_message :)
[08:26:20] <MattJ> I've helped someone do it before
[08:26:47] <lurker6264> they shud be able to add eachother.. but not ask for authorization.. and then wait till the other person authorise it...
[08:27:15] <lurker6264> it shud be add and get done with it..
[08:27:17] <Kev_> Ah.
[08:27:27] <Kev_> Some server do allow that. I know M-Link does.
[08:27:35] <lurker6264> no waiting for authorization from the other user
[08:27:36] <Kev_> *servers
[08:28:31] <lurker6264> the thing is i have newly joind this company.. n the last admin has setup jabber on a linux machin.. i have no clue how it
works.. dont even know which server is installed..
[08:29:38] <Kev_> That'll be your first job then :)
[08:29:40] <lurker6264> and a user is crying abt.. she has to add people .. coz all her friends on pandion 'see her offline' even if she is online..
i can see her offline right now.. when she is logged in
[08:30:07] <lurker6264> nopes its not...
[08:30:20] <lurker6264> i worked on windows for an year..
[08:30:25] <lurker6264> but this company is gr8
[08:30:36] <lurker6264> uses all kind of Open source apps
[08:30:42] <lurker6264> to cut down cost !!
[08:31:51] <lurker6264> how do i go abt playing with the server config?? to fix this?
[08:32:21] <lurker6264> i dont want to mess with it..
[08:32:40] <Kev_> Sorry, you misunderstood
[08:32:55] <Kev_> 'That'll be your first job then :)' = "That means the first task is to find out what server it's running"
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[08:44:55] <Kev_> restarting jorg, bbiab.
[08:44:56] <lurker6264> oh
[08:44:57] <lurker6264> :D
[08:45:00] <lurker6264> yeh
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[10:54:51] <MattJ> .
[10:55:06] <Kev_> ,
[10:55:28] <naw> ;
[10:55:31] <MattJ> > [11:53:02] niekie: Anyone know if CJO is having issues?
[10:55:34] <MattJ> Seems fine to me
[10:55:49] <Kev_> It was restarted a few hours ago, though.
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[15:27:52] <johnson5522> haha
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[15:29:02] <MattJ> Quite
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[17:42:16] <naw> Kev: can a client avoid the retrieval of offline messages? (I'm only aware of using a negative priority)
[17:43:05] <naw> nevermind, the problem was that somebody was using "invisible" presence
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[18:48:53] <niekie> Hello :)
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[19:35:49] <Mati> @protocol geeks: where can I find the spec on what characters in node-names are allowed?
[19:37:01] <Tobias> Mati: nodeprep RFC?
[19:37:57] <Tobias> or more draft..don't know if it ever got to be an RFC
[19:38:26] <Mati> /me is looking into it
[19:39:31] <MattJ> !xmpp-address
[19:39:36] <MattJ> doh
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[20:17:40] <guest11> how do you querry a client for the list of rooms/
[20:17:48] <guest11> query a server*
[20:17:55] <guest11> hi matt
[20:18:01] <guest11> hi kev and tobias
[20:18:02] <guest11> and others
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[20:23:01] <Mati> a client that has rooms?
[20:24:55] <guest11> no
[20:25:11] <guest11> how do you query a server for the list of chatrooms
[20:25:12] <zanchin> guest11, you send a discto#items request to the muc server
[20:25:23] <guest11> can you tell me the entire iq stanza
[20:25:41] <guest11> is there a way that i can get only the active chatrooms
[20:25:41] <Kev> No, but XEP-0045 will.
[20:25:58] <guest11> tell me which part to refer in xep 0045
[20:26:01] <MattJ> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#disco-rooms
[20:26:24] <guest11> is it possible to find out chatrooms by number of users in it
[20:26:35] <guest11> like get only the chatroms which has less then five users in it
[20:26:40] <guest11> or more than five users in it
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[20:29:21] <guest11> to='chat.shakespeare.lit'
[20:29:27] <guest11> what should i enter in there
[20:29:35] <guest11> to ?
[20:29:44] <MattJ> The conference server
[20:29:59] <guest11> conferenc.jabber.org?
[20:30:14] <MattJ> conference.jabber.org for this server, yes
[20:32:08] <guest11> but that gests the list of all the chatrooms
[20:32:12] <guest11> i want only the active chatrooms
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[03:20:39] <jackson4709> hi
[03:20:44] <jackson4709> anybody here?
[03:37:56] <zanchin> hello
[03:59:36] <jackson4709> can i raise my jabber error here?
[04:07:27] <zanchin> sure
[04:18:47] <jackson4709> when I use Smack to send message (sendPacket), the first message will lose
[04:19:38] <zanchin> and subsequent messages arrrive fine?
[04:20:30] <jackson4709> yes
[04:21:52] <zanchin> do you get an error from the server?
[04:22:00] <jackson4709> no
[04:22:27] <jackson4709> i didn't get any error like 404
[04:22:39] <zanchin> what type of message is it?
[04:23:44] <jackson4709> could you please take a look at my code?
[04:23:48] <jackson4709> XMPPConnection conn1 = new XMPPConnection("jabber.org");
XMPPConnection conn2 = new XMPPConnection("jabber.org");
conn1.connect();
conn1.login(to1, "52233e5ffdc16d9f3c37ec8d0fbcde20");
conn2.connect();
conn2.login(to2, "c6f7c052b485f9b6dfc94de641c7cfc6");
Message message = new Message();
message.setBody("121");
conn1.sendPacket(message);
message = new Message();
message.setBody("1221");
conn1.sendPacket(message);
Thread.sleep(100000);
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[04:27:50] <zanchin> let me check my smack code...
[04:28:42] <jackson4709> and i have add a packet listener to listen all packet
[04:30:40] <jackson4709> conn2.addPacketListener(new PacketListener() {
@Override
public void processPacket(Packet packet) {
System.out.println(message.toXML());
}
}, new PacketTypeFilter(Packet.class));
[04:30:51] <jackson4709> sorry, change message to packet
[04:33:08] <zanchin> I don't see you setting a "to" for the messages, where are they supposed to go?
[04:42:32] <zanchin> also, did you try only using one connection?
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