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[14:04:38] <andreymal> !ru
[14:04:38] <andreymal> *WALL*
[14:07:58] <naw> andreymal: it should be displayed a link to a jabber.ru room, but the bot doesn't work
[14:08:17] <Tobias> MattJ: yeah..why is that so?
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[14:08:37] <andreymal> naw, :(
[14:08:38] <MattJ> Tobias, he can't join the room since the last jabber.org upgrade
[14:08:42] <MattJ> I don't know why exactly
[14:08:49] <Tobias> MattJ: ah..right..now i remember
[14:09:10] <MattJ> Getting XML from gloox requires rebuilding it, which for some reason I don't feel like doing :)
[14:09:24] <MattJ> I could spy on it via Prosody I guess
[14:09:32] <MattJ> Just haven't had time to look into it
[14:09:45] <Tobias> MattJ: maybe it was one of the items on isode's todo list to world domination ;)
[14:10:14] <MattJ> 1) Kill HAL
[14:10:15] <MattJ> :P
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[14:10:37] <MattJ> He's a threat to me too, but I'm not brave enough to ban him from prosody.im
[14:11:21] <naw> I will edit the room topic to remove the message, maybe it should be replaced with a link to a page with the room addresses
maybe in the xmpp wiki, or as an appendix to http://www.jabber.org/get-help/
[14:12:07] * naw has set the topic to "Welcome to the Jabber help room! | Visit discuss@conference.jabber.org to talk about other topics. This room chats in English.".
[14:13:14] <MattJ> We did have a list on wiki.jabber.org some time back
[14:13:57] <Tobias> MattJ: can't you just paste hal's current db of rooms?
[14:17:39] <MattJ> Not easily
[14:17:51] <MattJ> They're mixed up with all his other !values
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[14:21:36] <cleveland55388> hi this is manoj, I want to know how to configure the jabber
[14:22:24] <naw> cleveland55388: a jabber server? a jabber client?
[14:25:42] <cleveland55388> a jabber & jabber client
[14:26:07] <cleveland55388> jabber server & client
[14:26:24] <naw> first choose a jabber server http://xmpp.org/software/servers.shtml and a jabber client http://xmpp.org/software/clients.shtml
[14:26:43] <naw> do you need active directoy integration?
[14:26:57] <naw> if so, ejabberd and openfire has it
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[14:27:13] <naw> I think that m-link too, and I don't remember about prosody
[14:27:42] <Kev> M-Link certainly does.
[14:27:57] <MattJ> I don't know much about AD, but if it has an LDAP interface then Prosody 0.8 (not yet released) can do it
[14:29:14] <cleveland55388> I want screen shot of jabber configuration so please help me.
[14:30:03] <Tobias> ActiveDirectory is just the name of their LDAP implementation IIRC
[14:30:17] <naw> cleveland55388: it will depend on the ones selected by you, every server has a different configuration interface
[14:31:58] <cleveland55388> jabber configuration in ebox
[14:35:22] <naw> http://doc.ebox-platform.com/en/jabber.html
[14:35:26] <naw> it seems to use jabberd2
[14:38:34] <cleveland55388> thank you, I will check it out.
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[15:15:20] <cleveland55388> how to configure Radius server in ebox, can i get any doc on that?
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[16:43:31] <dmex> Hi, Ive found a wack error without how jabber.org handles the MUC presence stanza's, it doesnt return an error stanza under
this condition.
[16:44:19] <dmex> say a client leaves a room with <presence to="#testchat@conference.jabber.org" type="unavailable" />
[16:45:00] <dmex> rejoins shortly afterwards <presence to="#testchat@conference.jabber.org/dmex04" />
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[16:45:37] <dmex> jabber.org will return with: <presence xmlns="jabber:client" from="#testchat@conference.jabber.org/dmex04" to="dmex04@jabber.org/client"><x
xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#user"><item affiliation="owner" jid="dmex04@jabber.org/client" role="moderator" /><status
code="110" /></x></presence>
[16:46:37] <Kev> Apart from that not being a valid way to leave a room, it looks ok so far - what do you think is wrong?
[16:46:52] <dmex> however the room is password protected, but it fools the client into thinking the user sucessfully joined the room
[16:47:41] <Kev> And the client didn't join the room?
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[16:48:21] <dmex> user doesnt show to anyone else
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[16:49:08] <Kev> I'll join in a moment, hang on.
[16:50:17] <Kev> Does this also happen if you leave using the correct stanza, btw?
[16:50:43] <dmex> nope, I know it supposed to send <presence to='#testchat@conference.jabber.org/dmex04' type='unavailable'/> instead of <presence
to="#testchat@conference.jabber.org/dmex04" />
[16:51:24] <dmex> its just jabber.org doesnt catch the error and return an error stanza on the attempt to rejoin
[16:51:39] <Kev> So if you send the right stanza, everything works?
[16:52:14] <dmex> pidgin works, so I assume so
[16:52:37] <Kev> I would guess that as you didn't leave the room corectly, the server wasn't checking to see if you were allowed to rejoin.
[16:52:48] <Kev> Can you leave the room the wrong way now, so I can see what happens?
[16:54:27] <dmex> twice just now, once with password, second time without password
[16:54:47] <Kev> You didn't leave the room.
[16:55:22] <Kev> Now you did.
[16:55:54] <dmex> lmk when the other client leaves
[16:56:02] <Kev> Now.
[16:56:22] <dmex> I have to log it off to make it leave
[16:56:29] <Kev> Or send the right stanza :)
[16:56:54] <dmex> the spec says the server should catch that
[16:57:04] <Kev> Should catch what?
[16:57:41] <dmex> malformed xml or join errors
[16:58:02] <Kev> Are you sending malformed xml?
[16:58:31] <Kev> And there aren't any joins errors because you never left the room.
[16:58:35] <dmex> other than the space at the end of the presence stanza I wouldnt think so
[16:58:48] <Kev> This really looks like a client bug - what are you using? Someone should file a bug with them.
[16:58:57] <dmex> pidgin
[16:59:21] <Kev> Pidgin is sending the wrong stanza to leave the room??
[17:01:28] <dmex> <presence to="#testchat@conference.jabber.org" type="unavailable" /> <presence to="#testchat@conference.jabber.org/dmex04'
type="unavailable"/>
[17:01:42] <dmex> the only difference I see is the space
[17:02:20] <Kev> The second stanza is being sent to the right JID.
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[21:29:18] <coolbreeze66> hey everyone
[21:29:36] <coolbreeze66> anyone willing to help a jabber newbie?
[21:30:49] <waqas> Hi, what help do you need?
[21:31:09] <coolbreeze66> I'm trying to understand how this works
[21:31:14] <coolbreeze66> for example:
[21:31:31] <coolbreeze66> file transfers between users on the same server
[21:32:00] <coolbreeze66> I noticed they are direct transfers
[21:32:07] <coolbreeze66> am I right?
[21:33:28] <coolbreeze66> is the transfer encrypted?
[21:34:20] <naw> the file transfer goes by a different connection
[21:34:45] <naw> but now that you say it... I'm not sure if it is encripted
[21:35:58] <naw> I suspect that it is not encrypted
[21:36:15] <naw> stpeter: Kev: can you confirm this? what about jingle?
[21:36:50] <Tobias> naw: i'd say most are unencrypted
[21:36:55] <stpeter> I don't know of any clients that do encrypted file transfers
[21:37:09] <stpeter> at least not end-to-end encrypted
[21:37:10] <naw> since there isn't a definitive end-too-end encription system, I guess that they are and will be unencrypted
[21:37:30] <stpeter> /me nods
[21:38:20] <coolbreeze66> so this is not a client issue (I'm using psi)
[21:38:26] <stpeter> nope
[21:38:29] <stpeter> not a client issue
[21:38:29] <Tobias> stpeter: isn't there a XEP that describes jingle p2p encrypted connections? or was that just for jingle audio?
[21:38:46] <stpeter> Tobias: there is one for audio/video using SRTP
[21:39:00] <stpeter> and SIP-Communicator implements encrypted audio/video using ZRTP
[21:39:25] <coolbreeze66> XEP?
[21:39:39] <stpeter> but we haven't defined that yet for file transfer -- I need to get back to reviewing the file transfer stuff soon
[21:39:44] <stpeter> SRTP is in XEP-0167
[21:39:49] <stpeter> ZRTP is in XEP-0262
[21:40:14] <stpeter> but the details of how all that stuff works are in Internet-Drafts -- we just re-use what the IETF defined
[21:40:34] <stpeter> speaking of which, I need to push out an updated version of XEP-0262 :)
[21:40:54] <coolbreeze66> thanks for all the replies! I just need to ask a couple more if you don't bother
[21:41:13] <stpeter> sure thing
[21:41:55] <coolbreeze66> 1) is it possible to hide OS info and box name in a one to one chat?
[21:43:08] <naw> some clients (kopete?) had the option to hide that
[21:43:39] <naw> to hide the os and the client
[21:43:41] <coolbreeze66> so THIS is a client issue ok
[21:43:54] <naw> afaik, pidgin hides the os, but not the client name
[21:44:33] <naw> and the hostname...... probably you see it as the resource name, you can customize it
[21:45:17] <naw> in fact the resource name is more intended to say from where are you connecting (e.g. home, work)
[21:46:05] <coolbreeze66> understood
[21:46:18] <coolbreeze66> /me mumbles
[21:47:08] <naw> in theory someone could try to guess what client are you using based on what features do your client support, and if the client
only work
[21:47:25] <naw> * and if the client only work on one OS they will know the OS
[21:47:52] <coolbreeze66> sure thing
[21:49:16] <coolbreeze66> I think I'm failing in my effort to get rid of skype "encryption"-"privacy"
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[22:08:18] <coolbreeze66> thanks for the help again guys
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[22:23:50] <coolbreeze66> naw: looks like pidgin hides both box name and OS info
[22:27:14] <coolbreeze66> but not client info indeed
[22:29:34] <naw> kopete can hide it
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[22:37:12] <coolbreeze66> too bad kopete is *nix only
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