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[06:09:07] <zoyd> hi
[06:11:52] <zoyd> anyone able to reach gtalk contacts over jabber.org?
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[06:15:48] <zoyd> is proxy.eu.jabber.org the transport service?
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[15:36:50] <Bug> Kev: Sorry about the huge delay. Here's the screen shot. http://omploader.org/vNHYzYg
[15:37:15] <Bug> As you can see the Hebrew is aligned to the Left rather than the right.
[15:37:46] <Kev> Is it also going LTR instead of RTL?
[15:37:50] <Kev> i.e. is it:
[15:38:05] <Bug> Nope, it's readable.
[15:38:07] <Kev> a) going in the correct direction, but aligned to the wrong side or b) mirrored.
[15:38:21] <Bug> Readable just aligned to the wrong side.
[15:38:41] <Kev> How big a deal is this? (I have no idea)
[15:38:56] <Bug> Minor. Just convinience.
[15:39:07] <Bug> I should check what happens when you mix Hebrew and English though.
[15:39:18] <Kev> I think I'd rather not know :D
[15:40:41] <Bug> English Hebrew English seems to be fine. Hebrew English Hebrew ends up as: C B A rather. [I.E. reverse reading]
[15:41:09] <Kev> Do other clients get such a thing right?
[15:42:24] <Bug> Pidgin seems to send it correctly, but swift sends it mixed up.
[15:42:47] <Kev> Swift *sends* it mixed up?
[15:42:53] <Kev> That's a bit peculiar.
[15:43:04] <Kev> Although I confess my knowledge of anything RTL is almost zero.
[15:43:45] <Bug> If I send A B C from Pidgin, pidgin shows it correctly, but swift shows it as C B A. And if I send it from Swift, both ends get C B A.
[15:43:58] <Kev> Hoorah for consistency :)
[15:44:24] <Bug> [Note, I reversed the A B C for your convinience in understanding. It should be C B A in reallity.]
[15:44:44] <Bug> Man, explainning something like that is confusing.
[15:46:18] <Kev> Yes, I'm afraid I don't really follow other than "Swift gets something wrong" :)
[15:47:12] <Bug> I think I'll just take a screenshot of both for you to see the difference.
[15:47:20] <Kev> That might be easiest, thanks.
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[15:53:34] <Bug> Kev: http://omploader.org/vNHYzaw
[15:54:11] <Kev> Which window is sending and which is receiving?
[15:54:11] <Bug> I think this picture is way better than my explaining.
[15:54:29] <Bug> First message is Swift -> Pidgin. Second Message is Pidgin -> Swift.
[15:55:07] <Kev> I'm going to regret asking this, I'm sure, but when you type into the input field, what does it show?
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[15:55:55] <Bug> Both show the sent message just as it would like like inside it.
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[16:03:37] <Bug> Kev: Good luck.
[16:03:46] <Bug> Can I close swift now?
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[16:04:27] <Kev> Bug: Yes thanks. I'll grab the images and attach them to issues - I have no idea how to go about fixing them, though.
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[17:03:06] <guest11> hi kev
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[19:34:00] <sergem> Just wanted to ask three questions.
[19:34:15] <sergem> 1. When jabber server goes down is there any way to contact any of jabber.org team?
[19:34:45] <sergem> I checked "How to Contact Us" at http://www.jabber.org/service-policy/
[19:35:01] <sergem> Obviously, I cannot reach anybody using jabber when jabber server is down.
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[19:35:18] <sergem> Address of jabberforum.org also listed there cannot be resolved.
[19:35:23] <sergem> Any other way? Email?
[19:35:37] <sergem> 2. Should I attempt to contact you when server goes down? Or it won't help?
[19:36:39] <sergem> 3. Is there any way to know what's going on when server is down? Maybe some kind of status page saying "it will get back in 10 minutes" or "it won't be back until tomorrow - servers melted"?
[19:42:30] <sergem> So, here are the questions. Feel free to answer them if you have some spare time. :) Thank you.
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[20:24:54] <travianarmy> Hi i need a list from public servers
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[20:36:04] <Kev> sergem: There's #jabber on freenet, if you want an out of band contact method for me and MattJ. The server will come back up automatically if it goes down, so there's usually no reason for us to intercede.
[20:38:20] <sergem> Kev: Thank you. It's just today I was not able to connect to it for about 1 hour. The website was working, but jabber.org:5222 was not accepting connections. That's why I asked. :)
[20:39:23] <Kev> It was about 30 minutes it was down, but yes.
[20:39:51] <Kev> For some reason I don't understand the disks decided that 3meg a second was Really Scary, and didn't want to go any faster.
[20:40:00] <Kev> Quite the problem when it's writing a multi-gig core file.
[20:42:33] <sergem> Maybe most of it was swapped out?
[20:43:04] <Kev> sergem: about half was swapped out, yes.
[20:43:08] <Kev> But still - 3meg a second.
[20:46:12] <sergem> That's probably the time it takes to get the "core" from swap and put something else there instead. It can be checked in %util column of `iostat -k -x 2 2` output (assuming you're using linux). If swap takes mush of utilization - it's the problem.
[20:46:51] <Kev> Yep, ta.
[20:46:58] <Kev> But it was reading at around 3meg and writing a around 3 meg.
[20:47:05] <Kev> Which is still pretty uninspiring.
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[20:52:31] <sergem> Well, there's always the way to make it faster. You can try moving swap to another physical device from the partition-for-coredumps. Or maybe put swap on SSD. But I'm not sure it worth that. :)
[20:53:47] <sergem> Instead it might be easier to put more memory there. Or, the other way around, configure memory limits so that the server would get killed before it takes too much memory and swaps out. :)
[20:55:22] <Kev> The natural usage of the running server is more than the physical memory on the box - so we could ulimit it, but that just means frequent and unnecessary outages.
[20:55:32] <evilotto> 3meg/s sounds like it's using pio instead of dma
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[20:58:32] <cliche> Hi - sorry if this has already been answered - have persistent rooms on conference.jabber.org had their settings wiped this evening?
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[20:59:23] <cliche> (our room is returning 404 when I try to join - I'm wondering if a friend has it on auto-join and it's in an unconfigured state)
[20:59:50] <Kev> cliche: persistent rooms haven't - non-persistent rooms may have.
[21:01:25] <cliche> That's persistence as in having the 'Persistent Room' set in the config?
[21:02:12] <cliche> Are there any other meanings of a 404 on attempting to join a room then? (I'm assuming the server owners haven't taken exception to us in any way :) )
[21:14:25] <sergem> Kev: Anyway, thanks for your explanations. I understood the situation.
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[04:14:16] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> Hi Kev
[04:14:22] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> got a question
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[04:14:56] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> i wrote a browser based xmpp client
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[04:15:34] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> i want the program to be able to handle the refresh event
[04:15:50] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> (when the user refresh the browser)
[04:16:26] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> 1. logout the user (sending unavailable presence stanza
[04:16:49] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> 2. rejoin the chat room
[04:16:56] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> here is the code i wrote:
[04:17:10] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> $('#leave').click(function () { $('#leave').attr('disabled', 'disabled'); Groupie.connection.send( $pres({to: Groupie.room + "/" + Groupie.nickname, type: "unavailable"})); Groupie.connection.disconnect(); }); $(window).bind('beforeunload', function() { alert('refreshing...'); $('#leave').click(); });
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[04:17:13] <vz_c0.2319184800153345>
[04:18:17] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> as you can see, there is a "leave" button, when the user click the button, an unavailable stanza is sent and the user will leave the room, this is working fine
[04:19:00] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> when the user refresh the browser, i simply trigger the click event on "leave“button
[04:19:14] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> this should work as if the button is clicked
[04:19:35] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> but for some reason, this is not working
[04:20:42] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> seems the connection is lost before the stanza is sent out...
[04:21:00] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> have you seen this issue before and how to resolve it?
[04:21:02] <vz_c0.2319184800153345> thanks
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