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[05:25:48] <garfield22039> how can i configure my own server
[05:26:21] <waqas> Select a server. Read its documentation.
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[05:51:34] <taylor46282> i want gtalk as in my web page
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[12:53:04] * grant58757 in now known as *tfs[idx].
[12:53:38] <*tfs[idx]> Hi there.
[12:54:30] <*tfs[idx]> Can someone point me to a list of supported auth mechanisms for jabber.org?
[12:54:57] <Kev> SASL mechanisms, you mean?
[12:56:12] <Kev> SCRAM-SHA-1, DIGEST-MD5, CRAM-MD5, PLAIN and LOGIN.
[13:01:29] <*tfs[idx]> aha
[13:01:31] <*tfs[idx]> ok, thanks
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[13:03:19] <Kev> np
[13:04:39] <Tanguy> Challenge-response mechanisms… So jabber.org stores passwords in cleartext, interresting.
[13:05:02] <Tanguy> (or stores a password equivalent, something that is enough to authenticate if stolen)
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[13:33:57] <harrison59100> i created account on jabber.org, made Miranda to login to it, but cannot talk
[13:34:04] <harrison59100> can any1 help me?
[13:34:29] <harrison59100> is there some special host to fill in?
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[15:13:46] <*tfs[idx]> Kev: Are there other non-SASL methods supported on jabber.org, too?
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[15:14:11] <Kev> 78's supported too - why do you ask?
[15:14:28] <*tfs[idx]> I do not wish to use my password on a public terminal, so I'm hopeful for something like public keys/private keys auth, or token passing auth
[15:14:45] <Kev> Ah.
[15:15:14] <Kev> Well, using your private key on a public terminal is just as bad as using your password.
[15:15:26] <*tfs[idx]> Right, but it's slightly easier to revoke
[15:15:28] <Kev> And no, jabber.org doesn't do temporary token auths.
[15:15:34] <MattJ> One-time passwords are good for this
[15:15:42] <*tfs[idx]> Any OTP support on j.o?
[15:15:49] <MattJ> Don't think so
[15:15:49] <Kev> No.
[15:15:55] <*tfs[idx]> 'kay
[15:16:06] <MattJ> Not a typical request from users :)
[15:16:22] <*tfs[idx]> The terminal's not as "public" as, say, a walk-in kiosk
[15:16:31] <*tfs[idx]> but it's my work PC, and I definitely don't want my password stored on it
[15:16:37] <Kev> The software behind it will happily auth using x509 client-side certs, but we don't expose that to users.
[15:16:45] <*tfs[idx]> Aw.
[15:16:51] <Kev> Well, couldn't you just not save the password, then? :)
[15:17:06] <MattJ> or use the development version of Psi with SCRAM :)
[15:17:11] <*tfs[idx]> Yes, but I'd prefer not to have a trace
[15:17:18] <Kev> MattJ: Which is pointless, of course.
[15:17:23] <MattJ> Kev, why?
[15:17:28] <*tfs[idx]> If I could have separate passwords, that'd be good enough
[15:17:35] <Kev> MattJ: well, it's still storing enough data to auth with.
[15:17:42] <MattJ> Sure, it will always be doing that
[15:17:54] <Kev> The value's in not exposing the password underneath.
[15:17:57] <MattJ> and if it doesn't save it, something can take it when you type it
[15:18:08] <stpeter> /me waves
[15:18:19] <Kev> But I'm guessing if *tfs[idx] is paranoid, they're not sharing passwords between services anyway, so that doesn't matter so much.
[15:18:20] <*tfs[idx]> I guess I could simplify my requirements a bit
[15:18:22] <Kev> Evening Peter.
[15:18:28] <MattJ> SCRAM stores just a hash of the password on disk, seems like a decent compromise
[15:18:43] <*tfs[idx]> I just want to have some way to revoke a password that I use at work
[15:18:45] <MattJ> Not sure if it's salted differently between client instances, Tobias would know
[15:18:59] <Kev> Well, you can do that - you can always change the password :)
[15:19:16] <Kev> MattJ: it requires the server to use a consistent salt, too. I don't know if jabber.org does.
[15:19:25] <*tfs[idx]> Password's saved at home :)
[15:20:06] <*tfs[idx]> I'm paranoid, but not *that* paranoid
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[16:26:39] <аrtist> hi all. we have a new official talkonaut chat for english speak people in this server. how we may change role to administrator?
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[16:27:07] <аrtist> we need special jabber client for it?
[16:27:19] <Kev> Almost all Jabber clients support that.
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[16:29:50] <аrtist> miranda cant *dntknw*
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[16:30:10] <waqas> I'm using Miranda, and it can.
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[16:30:27] <vz9> Morning Kev
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[16:30:42] <аrtist> hm
[16:30:50] <waqas> If you are an owner, you can right click on someone -> Set affiliation -> admin
[16:31:07] <vz9> Kev, have a question for change status to "away" or "busy"
[16:31:19] <vz9> i sent an stranza like this
[16:31:22] <Shamsher.lamba> Hi
[16:31:39] <vz9> <presence to='myroom@mydomain/vz4' type='away' xmlns='jabber:client'/>
[16:31:55] <аrtist> waqas: its dont work in miranda and talkonaut
[16:31:59] <vz9> why there is no response from the server?
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[16:32:10] <Kev> vz9: because that's very wrong.
[16:32:13] <vz9> when change type="unavailable", then it responded
[16:32:19] <vz9> oh
[16:32:35] <Kev> Have you read either the book or the RFCs?
[16:32:38] <vz9> i thought i just mimic the stanza for unavailable
[16:32:43] <waqas> аrtist: Are you a room owner? Only room owners can make others admins.
[16:33:00] <Kev> You do not want to write a client by guessing protocol watching stuff other clients do.
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[16:33:13] <аrtist> waqas: i know. my friend owner. he cant *dntknw*
[16:33:17] <vz9> i am reading a book
[16:33:39] <Kev> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596521271 - that one?
[16:33:46] <Shamsher.lamba> Hi
[16:34:00] <waqas> аrtist: You can also right click the message log -> Affiliations -> Admin list
[16:34:40] <Shamsher.lamba> Shamsher.lamba:
[16:34:46] <vz9> should be like this:
[16:34:47] <vz9> <presence> <show>away</show> <status>at the ball</status> </presence>
[16:34:48] <vz9> ?
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[16:35:00] <Kev> Yes.
[16:35:05] <vz9> oh ok
[16:35:07] <vz9> thanks
[16:35:12] <Kev> Which book are you reading?
[16:35:35] <vz9> the book i am reading is "Professional XMPP Programming with Javascript JQuery
[16:35:41] <Kev> Ok, Jack's book.
[16:35:48] <vz9> i think this is a very good book
[16:35:49] <Kev> That's going to be good then.
[16:35:54] <vz9> just started last weekend
[16:36:10] <vz9> that's why i am asking lots of dumb questions
[16:36:11] <vz9> :)
[16:36:36] <аrtist> waqas: we can change only moderstor role. change role on member not work
[16:36:46] <Kev> But why are you constructing presence stanzas yourself - doesn't Strophe do that for you?
[16:37:10] <waqas> аrtist: You want to make someone an admin? Change their affiliation, not their role.
[16:37:31] <аrtist> oh. we can... im stupid... sorry
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[16:38:51] <аrtist> if we use right click-set as admin, its not work. but we go to admin list, and add here new jid. its work
[16:40:46] <waqas> Could be Miranda doing something different. I'll test it later.
[16:44:01] <аrtist> waqas: but talkonaut too
[16:44:28] <waqas> I don't use talkonaut, so can't comment.
[16:45:03] <waqas> They could be doing something which jabber.org doesn't support, like setting affiliation using nick instead of JID.
[16:47:20] <аrtist> and bombus cant too
[16:48:01] <waqas> You could check Miranda's XML console to see if there are errors.
[16:48:30] <waqas> Main menu > JABBER > Services > XML console
[16:51:10] <grog> <iq type="set" to="XXXXXXXXXXXX@conference.jabber.org" id="mir_78"> <query xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#admin"> <item nick="аrtist" <------ Bad?????? affiliation="owner" /> </query> </iq> <iq from="XXXXXXXXXXXXXX@conference.jabber.org" to="XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" type="error" id="mir_78" xml:lang="en"> <error code="405" type="cancel"> <not-allowed xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas" /> </error> </iq>
[16:52:06] <Kev> Yes, that's wrong.
[16:52:12] <waqas> Yes, bad. It should be sending jid, not nick.
[16:52:20] <Kev> <item affiliation='owner' jid='hecate@shakespeare.lit'/>
[16:52:31] <waqas> I'll note that many servers allow this, and this may not have been wrong in older versions of the spec.
[16:53:52] <waqas> I filed an issue last year. Feel free to star it: http://code.google.com/p/miranda/issues/detail?id=180 :)
[16:54:02] <аrtist> but devoice work...
[16:54:09] <waqas> Or poke them about it in the Miranda chatroom.
[16:54:25] <waqas> Yes, roles work by nick, and affiliations work by jid.
[16:54:46] <аrtist> ok
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[17:11:18] <ramyadeepthi.cute@gmail.com/Meebo> n i
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[21:28:20] <adams62381> hi, i need some help here, am new to mac, and all my chatting system is not the same, here i have ichat and ma trying to connect ichat with msn do u have any idea
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[21:32:49] <ccrawford> hello i am trying to use jabber in order to add a yahoo user to my iChat buddy list. can anyone help me?
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[23:18:34] <bittin> !ru
[23:18:36] <bittin> !ru se
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[23:44:42] <smash6> Afternoon all.
[23:44:54] <bittin> its night here but hi anyways
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[04:18:52] <taft58428> ?
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[04:55:47] <Jataskillsandtrade> English . Hi there
[04:57:06] <Jataskillsandtrade> Anybody there for a chart?
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