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[13:23:23] <loxs> are there any servers/components, that are able to check some user's email and send them messages when they got new mail?
[13:24:33] <MattJ> There have been mail gateways, but I'm not sure how they worked
[13:24:46] <MattJ> They may have only been SMTP
[13:25:14] <loxs> MattJ: and are they able to notify the user of new mail?
[13:25:42] <MattJ> The ones I know of just forward SMTP->XMPP
[13:26:49] <loxs> that's fine too, but do clients support it?
[13:27:35] <MattJ> They're just <message>s, so sure
[13:28:04] <Kev> It should be quite easy to write something that just uses imap with http://github.com/dwd/polymer and then sends it over xmpp with http://github.com/fritzy/SleekXMPP
[13:29:03] <dwd> The correct solution is probably to do it with the SEIVE/XMPP notify stuff.
[13:29:06] <loxs> Kev: yeah, I need something like that
[13:29:17] <petermount> I saw pidgin had a notify email option (for gtalk/gmail) but never seen it actually do anything though...
[13:30:20] <loxs> petermount: it works fine with gmail
[13:30:20] <dwd> petermount, That's using GTalk's gmail integration.
[13:31:07] <loxs> dwd: I haven't yet come to the notification part, I first need to be able to check for users' mail first
[13:31:41] <dwd> loxs, What message store are you using?
[13:31:42] <petermount> dwd: though it would have been but it doesn't do anything - at least for me. Anyhow thats the only one I've seen xmpp related(ish)
[13:32:00] <MattJ> petermount, I was thinking of implementing it, but didn't get around to it
[13:32:23] <MattJ> It would be quite useful to me, now I'm moving stuff to my own server from Gmail
[13:32:24] <dwd> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5437
[13:32:31] <dwd> That's the fella.
[13:32:32] <petermount> it sounds like one we should have
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[13:32:43] <dwd> petermount, See above - we do. :-)
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[13:33:41] <dwd> Authored by two IETF Area Directors, to it must be perfect. :-)
[13:34:02] <MattJ> Hmm, no
[13:34:13] <petermount> dwd: just reading it
[13:34:25] <MattJ> That's no equivalent to Gmail's - it lacks a way for the client to know it's a mail notification and handle it appropriately
[13:34:46] <dwd> MattJ, This is true, I was just coming to the same conclusion.
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[13:35:40] <loxs> for me the client is not a problem, I'll just send normal messages to my clients. Like "you have new mail, go see it at that url"
[13:36:30] <petermount> loxs: going by what you'd want then yes shouldn't be a problem
[13:36:44] <MattJ> loxs, then what dwd proposes seems a good fit - assuming you have a mail server that supports it :)
[13:37:00] <loxs> I'll have to check if postfix supports it
[13:37:04] <petermount> however I can see a problem - i.e. I'd like to be able to determine that the message was a mail notification like mattj just said
[13:37:41] <petermount> i.e. the client may want to change some icon to show there's mail waiting - I can't see how to determine that from the message, seems too human centric to me :-(
[13:38:14] <loxs> I'd probably send all the notification to a component of mine, which will send simple messages to the users concerned
[13:38:42] <loxs> and because we building a web client, it shouldn't be a problem to do whatever is needed
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[14:04:23] <dwd> loxs, It's not a MTA feature, but a store feature.
[14:05:00] <loxs> dwd: yeah, figured that out :)
[14:05:03] <dwd> loxs, So you're looking at something like Cyrus IMAP, or Isode M-Box™ (hint, hint) to do the SEIVE stuff for you, and either do notifications natively or provide a hook.
[14:05:42] <loxs> hook will it be as it seems.
[14:05:46] <loxs> thanks
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[14:13:46] <randy_kul> Hi
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[15:57:15] <Florob> Does anyone know when exactly the WGLC ends? (as in UTC time)
[15:59:42] <Kev> I don't.
[16:00:42] <Florob> In that case at least I'm not the only one ;)
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[16:01:36] <Florob> well, I'll go for "Be done ASAP and before tuesday in my timezone" I guess.
[16:02:47] <Kev> I have doubts that mine will be done in time, but hey ho.
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[16:10:51] <dwd> I'm about to send off my "The Story So Far..." review, up to Section 7, so far.
[16:11:22] <Kev> I'm up to 5.2
[16:11:30] <Kev> This is upsetting.
[16:11:58] <dwd> 65 lines and 1258 words of review. Eeek.
[16:12:11] <Kev> This is why I sent one email per issue.
[16:12:20] <Kev> I already know yours is TL;DR
[16:15:44] <Florob> hah, I'm up to 11.3 \o/ But I startet thursday, so that's actually bad...
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[16:16:39] <dwd> Sheesh. Like teenage kids, comparing the size of our reviews.
[16:23:07] <MattJ> My review is part English part Lua :)
[16:23:09] <Kev> dwd: if you've sent it already, I think your mail's playing up again.
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[16:25:32] <dwd> MattJ, See, I believe you.
[16:25:39] <dwd> Kev, No, not sent it yet.
[16:26:44] <MattJ> Unfortunately I don't think I'll have the Lua one finished by tomorrow, but perhaps this week
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[16:41:07] <alkino> where will the gsoc student meeting will take place ?
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[16:41:22] <Kev> gsoc@muc.xmpp.org
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[16:47:29] <alkino> thanks
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[19:51:13] <Tobias> dwd: broken up threading there? or is my gmail playing tricks on me
[19:56:22] <dwd> Tobias, My last post to xmpp@ietf? My client thinks it's threaded right...
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[20:00:34] <Tobias> yeah..your last post...gmail's web interface thinks it's threaded wrong :)
[20:00:48] <Tobias> let's see what other buggy mail clients think
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[20:16:46] <Tobias> heh...mailman seems to be on your side :) http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/xmpp/current/threads.html
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[00:12:59] <Zash> .
[00:13:30] <MattJ> Zash, don't even think about it :)
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[00:36:35] <Aidan> Can someone help me with a question about XMPP XML?
[00:37:21] <MattJ> Sure, what's up?
[00:37:27] <Aidan> Why does an XMPP session start with the stream initialization thing (<steam:stream>), but not have a closing tag until the end of the session. This causes a lot of problems for XML parsers.
[00:37:41] <MattJ> It does? Why?
[00:37:46] <Aidan> Yeah
[00:38:04] <Aidan> <stream:stream> //other stuff in here, messages, presence, iq.... </stream:stream>
[00:38:12] <MattJ> I mean, why is it a problem?
[00:38:15] <Aidan> It doesn't send it all at one time, so it seems really weird.
[00:38:49] <Aidan> Well it makes it really hard to parse the XML recieved by an XMPP server while programming and XMPP library for a language like C#
[00:39:07] <Aidan> *while programming a XMPP library
[00:40:20] <MattJ> Since you're using a client which I think was written in C#, it must be possible :)
[00:40:37] <Aidan> Haha yeah
[00:40:46] <Aidan> Just very challenging
[00:40:55] <MattJ> Not really
[00:41:04] <MattJ> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-08#section-4 gives a bit of background
[00:41:32] <Aidan> Thanks
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[04:51:20] <hpbutut> Can someone help me how to know user join or leave in room with agsxmpp?
[04:55:15] <hpbutut> *HELP*
[04:56:26] <johnny> your best bet is to talk to the authors
[04:58:20] <hpbutut> Thanks
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