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[08:09:28] <loxs> hi folks, Do you know of some tutorial/article/book on developing XMPP components with twisted (or other good Python framework)?
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[08:20:17] <johnny> loxs, best bet is to buy the xmpp definitive guide
[08:20:30] <johnny> publised by o'reilly
[08:20:36] <loxs> johnny: it just arrived :)
[08:20:49] <loxs> johnny: but it thought it's about the protocol, not on howto write components
[08:20:56] <loxs> *I thought
[08:21:01] <johnny> oh. sorry.. missed the part about python specifics
[08:21:08] <johnny> it should have a bit about components tho
[08:21:20] <johnny> since components (unlike bots) must managed their own rosters and the like
[08:21:23] <Kev> There is a chapter on writing a service with Python using components.
[08:21:24] <johnny> and talk the components protocol
[08:21:41] <johnny> i don't personally have the book.. i just pimp it for kev
[08:21:48] <Kev> It's not a "Write components with Python" book, but it's the best you'll get, I think.
[08:21:51] <Kev> johnny: thanks :)
[08:22:06] <johnny> Kev, perhaps someday.. i'll get to do xmpp stuff for money.. atm it's just standard web apps
[08:22:28] <johnny> i hope to use mattj's basic support app as a jumping off point for some of my clients.. hopefully they'll demand more
[08:22:33] <Kev> Yes, I was doing XMPP stuff for about 8 years before I got a day job.
[08:22:36] <loxs> Kev: I guess I'll start with that chapter right away, as I already have my server ready and setup
[08:22:46] <johnny> loxs, don't do it !
[08:22:57] <johnny> read the parts before :)
[08:23:02] <Kev> loxs: Read the first couple first. (Introduction, Basics).
[08:23:16] <Kev> It's very light reading, it won't take you long.
[08:23:26] <johnny> /me imagines that kev is an OK writer
[08:23:31] <loxs> Kev: well, I almost finished that before asking the question :)
[08:23:39] <johnny> hah
[08:23:46] <Kev> Kev, Peter and Remko between them are certainly ok.
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[08:23:59] <Kev> We rewrote each other's chapters quite a lot.
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[08:24:12] <johnny> loxs, the folks who wrote that book are great community members.. it's the best you can get
[08:24:30] <johnny> hopefully they'll get to do a second edition someday
[08:24:48] <johnny> or maybe one of those little tiny o'reilly books.. i forget what they are called
[08:24:53] <loxs> Kev: and you are right about it being a light read (and very good one too) :)
[08:25:07] <Kev> loxs: I note that Sleek has moved on since we wrote that - but the Sleek community have ported all the examples to the latest Sleek.
[08:25:23] <johnny> Kev, in version control somewhere?
[08:25:31] <Kev> loxs: http://wiki.github.com/fritzy/SleekXMPP/xmpp-the-definitive-guide
[08:25:36] <johnny> hehe :)
[08:25:42] <johnny> ah.. fritzy.
[08:25:59] <loxs> Kev: is it chapter 14 that you are talking about?
[08:26:01] <johnny> Kev, sadly.. sleek still can't replace xmppy as used in gajim yet
[08:26:06] <Kev> loxs: sounds right.
[08:26:45] <johnny> /me thinks about sleep
[08:26:54] <Kev> johnny: gn
[08:27:00] <johnny> i'm just scared my server won't work properly, i just migrated my primary name servers
[08:27:07] <loxs> thanks, I'll leave the room now, so that I can concentrate on the book :)
[08:27:12] <loxs> but I'll be back soon
[08:27:14] <loxs> bye :)
[08:27:18] <Kev> loxs: bye.
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[08:28:05] <johnny> i think my phone is dying..
[08:28:16] <johnny> it crashed out me twice yesterday
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[08:43:30] <tkoski> morning
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[10:18:15] <MattJ> !xep 258
[10:18:16] <xepbot> XEP-0258: Security Labels in XMPP is Standards Track (Experimental, 2009-07-23) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0258.html
[10:19:01] <Kev> Done yet?
[10:19:44] <MattJ> I'm missing the bigger picture
[10:19:58] <Kev> In what sense?
[10:20:07] <MattJ> The XEP says how to embed labels in stanzas
[10:20:24] <MattJ> It doesn't say where they come from, or who decides what they are, or anything like that
[10:20:45] <Kev> Right.
[10:21:47] <Kev> That's up to the server deployment.
[10:22:06] <MattJ> Then what did you implement in Swift?
[10:22:25] <Kev> The server gives the labels to the clients.
[10:22:38] <Kev> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0258.html#label-catalog
[10:23:16] <MattJ> Woah, I missed a whole section of the XEP... :P
[10:24:08] <Kev> Also note that Swift (and I *think* the Gajim patch) implement the previous non-hierarchical catalogues.
[10:25:08] <Kev> Hmm, maybe I dreamed that was added.
[10:26:03] <MattJ> Well I don't think I'll be done implementing it so fast
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[10:26:17] <MattJ> I have grander plans, for security labels to be part of something bigger
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