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[21:13:04] <Fritzy> Zash: What do you mean by chatting, browsing, viewing?
[21:15:12] <Zash> Fritzy: PEP based XEPs, which allow you to publish who you are talking to, what page you are browsing and what tv show you are viewing
[21:15:53] <Fritzy> the individual specs are just data formats
[21:16:04] <Fritzy> under the "extended presence" banner of PEP
[21:16:24] <Zash> Fritzy: but why have a bunch of specs that can all be described by a URI
[21:16:55] <Fritzy> a URI is just a data format, just like XML
[21:17:02] <Zash> chatting → uri = xmpp:user@foo, browsing → http:// .., viewing → tv:tvx.tld
[21:17:08] <dwd> Fritzy, I think he has a point.
[21:17:20] <dwd> Fritzy, Not sure it's valid, but interesting nonetheless.
[21:17:50] <Zash> in short, reuse existing standards?
[21:18:11] <Fritzy> one sec
[21:18:17] <dwd> Zash, I think the weakness is that a URI describe only a resource, not what your interaction with that resource is.
[21:18:42] <dwd> Zash, That is, one might watch an HTTP resource, or possibly even an XMPP one.
[21:18:51] <Zash> True
[21:19:29] <Zash> or chat with a tv channel :)
[21:19:30] <Fritzy> a simple URI is also harder to extend, AFAIK
[21:19:40] <dwd> Zash, Somewhat harder, but yes.
[21:20:26] <Zash> user browsing already has a uri field, and some meta
[21:20:27] <Fritzy> perhaps including URIs in PEP might be a good idea.
[21:21:07] <dwd> Zash, However, a single "doing", containing lists of, for example <watching ref='tv:...'/> and <reading ref='urn:isbn:...'/> would be interesting to me.
[21:21:50] <dwd> Zash, The risk being that supporting URIs generically has, historically, proven wildly difficult, especially when considering URNs, which require a resolution service.
[21:21:54] <Zash> dwd: yes, something like that would be nice
[21:22:39] <Zash> you could have some metadata (they do that already)
[21:22:41] <dwd> Zash, On top of that, or a client developer, it's very much all or nothing - it'd end up with a de-facto subset of URL schemes and URN namespaces which are actually used.
[21:23:25] <Zash> <watching ref="tv:chanelfoo.com"><rdf:title>The Show!</..
[21:23:50] <dwd> Zash, And finally, I can currently allow my "Watching" to go to only my "Friends", whereas my "Chatting" can go anywhere.
[21:24:46] <dwd> Zash, Of course, collections in PEP would also solve that and still provide the illusion of a single node, but that's not going to be a popular option, I suspect.
[21:26:44] <Zash> Mm
[21:30:45] <Zash> Let's sleep on it :)
[21:32:23] <dwd> Zash, Oh, I think URIs do have a place in PEP, just that *also* unifying the nodes is probably not a good option.
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[21:44:28] <johnny> well.. it's all irrelevant until google supports pep :(
[21:44:32] <johnny> at least for me
[21:46:49] <johnny> i wish i knew somebody on the google xmpp team
[21:46:58] <johnny> just to see if they think it will ever happen
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[22:02:04] <bjc> i'd settle for them fixing the random 503s when sending messages
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[22:08:59] <dwd> johnny, FWIW, I asked recently. It's on the cards, but nothing like immediate. But do ask on the XMPP lists, I'm under the impression that Google is noting outside pressure.
[22:09:43] <dwd> Oh, and folks, http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-08 is under WGLC, please review it.
[22:10:19] <MattJ> As we speak ;)
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[04:07:43] <alex刺客> 嘿嘿！
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