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[07:46:27] <Jaat.boyzz02> Hi m male 20 ind like 2 chat any1!
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[12:02:22] <Bug> Hello.
[12:02:40] <Bug> After looking at swift basic ideas, I fail to see how it differ from Psi.
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[12:08:02] <Kev> Psi tries to have features and options for everyone. Swift doesn't.
[12:08:46] <Kev> (Psi's traditionally been described as a power-user's client).
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[12:28:17] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> Hi all, ping, is this room working for me in Adium?
[12:28:35] <waqas> Yes?
[12:28:43] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> w00t!
[12:28:55] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> I just saw some strange repetition the other day
[12:29:01] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> Repeating myself from yesterday: I would appreciate some clarifications regarding interaction with other protocols, both XMPP-based and not... like for example (I'm using Adium on jabber.dk) I haven't managed to join an IRC chat, and I wonder if I can talk to GTalk accounts using my regular jabber-account? Also, jabber is one XMPP-network, are they all connected or not?
[12:31:05] <waqas> Erm, you can compare the jabber network with the email network.
[12:31:23] <waqas> And gtalk is also on the jabber network.
[12:31:53] <Tanguy> And Google Talk is the name of the Google Jabber service, nothing more. You can talk to users of it, just as you can email to users of Google Mail.
[12:39:08] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> Ok, but GTalk accept also users authenticated elsewhere than GTalk, for example a third-party jabber server?
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[12:40:01] <MattJ> No, that would be like logging into gmail.com with a hotmail.com account
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[12:40:55] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> (which is not completely unreasonable) But oh, wasn't that exactly what was said above? "You can talk to users of it, just as you can email to users of Google Mail."
[12:41:31] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> Let me clarify, GTalk accepts communication with users authenticated elsewhere?
[12:42:17] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> However, that was not my primary concern, are a lot of you using IRC connections from Jabber? I have a jabber.dk account and can't get it to work
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[12:44:46] <MattJ> Carl-Johan Sveningsson, I don't expect that you will be able to log into Gmail with a Hotmail account any time soon :)
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[12:45:19] <MattJ> and yes, GTalk accepts communications with users authenticated elsewhere, again - just like you can email Hotmail users from Gmail
[12:45:42] <MattJ> and no, I don't tend to use IRC through Jabber
[12:46:14] <MattJ> An IRC client or even a multi-protocol one like Pidgin is going to do better
[12:46:31] <MattJ> But the list of [services] shows servers with IRC gateways:
[12:46:32] <HAL> http://www.jabberes.org/servers/
[12:47:00] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> MattJ, probably not in that combination, but it's not preposterous considering OpenID and whatever. I was just curious about what cross-communication between networks is allowed
[12:47:02] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> Oh, thanks
[12:47:15] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> Well, I use Adium and was surprised it doesn't do IRC natively
[12:49:41] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> ... though Adium doesn't feel like a full-fledged Jabber client either
[12:50:57] <MattJ> It's not really, from what I've heard
[12:52:13] <Carl-Johan Sveningsson> Ahwell, will figure it out sometime, interesting to play around with
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[13:10:09] <UncleCJ> Niice, Psi manages to talk to my GTalk!
[13:10:41] <MattJ> :)
[13:11:49] <UncleCJ> Ok, Psi has proper service discovery... jabber.dk doesn't have an IRC connection, are any other server likely to let me in?
[13:12:09] <waqas> irc.jaim.at
[13:12:32] <waqas> Here's #jabber on freenode: #jabber%irc.freenode.org@irc.jaim.at
[13:12:33] <UncleCJ> Yep, probably they will...
[13:14:25] <naw> waqas: are you sure that you need the # ?
[13:14:47] <UncleCJ> I get a "JID malformed" error...
[13:14:48] <MattJ> Not anymore
[13:14:53] <MattJ> It used to be ##jabber
[13:15:03] <MattJ> and then you needed the
[13:15:05] <MattJ> #
[13:15:22] <MattJ> # is next to \n on UK keyboards :)
[13:15:37] <waqas> UncleCJ: You are putting "#jabber%irc.freenode.org" as the room and "irc.jaim.at" as the server in Psi?
[13:16:21] <UncleCJ> Wohooo!
[13:16:33] <UncleCJ> waqas, exactly, I put it all in the room line
[13:16:35] <UncleCJ> My bad
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[13:18:28] <naw> User interface idea for those clients that split the room JabberID in room and server: - display also the jid in the form "room@server" as the user is writing it - if the user writes an @ in the room textbox, switch the focus to the server textbox
[13:19:18] <MattJ> +1
[13:19:35] <waqas> +2
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[13:20:08] <waqas> And let the JID be editable. It's a pain to copy JIDs and then manually split them for the two text boxes.
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[13:20:40] <UncleCJ2> Now the strange thing, why can't I reach EFnet?
[13:21:25] <waqas> What room are you trying?
[13:21:36] <UncleCJ2> Oh, just a friendly old room
[13:22:03] <waqas> You need to strip off a # from the room's name.
[13:22:30] <UncleCJ2> Yeah, got that
[13:22:41] <UncleCJ2> 502 ERROR (You are not authorized to use this server)
[13:22:50] <UncleCJ2> That's EFnet's problem I think, not jaim.at
[13:23:04] <naw> you also can try another irc gateway
[13:23:12] <UncleCJ2> Yeah, will
[13:23:19] <waqas> They may have banned irc.jaim.at.
[13:23:19] <naw> take a look to [services] and choose one
[13:23:19] <HAL> http://www.jabberes.org/servers/
[13:24:10] <waqas> Look in the IRC column. The public ones have a color icon.
[13:24:14] <UncleCJ2> Got it. Trying
[13:29:04] <naw> MattJ: time ago, you asked if I had historic data about the servers, were you planning something in particular?
[13:29:27] <MattJ> naw, graphs, graphs aplenty :)
[13:30:39] <naw> like what?
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[13:31:07] <naw> for most things you don't need historic data
[13:31:13] <UncleCJ2> Wohoo, another IRC gateway worked, though now it's not using utf8 encoding, so people hate me :-P
[13:31:38] <naw> UncleCJ2: in the service discovery, select the gateway, right click, register
[13:31:49] <naw> there you should be able to select the encodings
[13:32:06] <naw> at least in ejabberd gateways
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[13:32:20] <MattJ> naw, well to be honest I was hoping for a graph of jabberd dominating, splitting to jabberd2/ejabberd, some rise in Openfire, and by today I wanted to see where Prosody was going in relation :)
[13:32:34] <MattJ> History is a wonderful thing
[13:33:13] <UncleCJ2> Ohh... advanced
[13:33:24] <UncleCJ2> naw: Thanks!
[13:33:35] <naw> MattJ: I only have dayta since january or so
[13:33:43] <naw> *data
[13:34:53] <UncleCJ2> Haha, "by default this server uses koi8-r encoding"!
[13:35:39] <naw> thats korean characters, right?
[13:38:28] <UncleCJ2> I think russian
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[14:14:04] <UncleCJ> And I'm back
[14:14:31] <UncleCJ> Actually EFnet is the only thing giving me trouble, and often without Adium actually giving any error messages
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[19:08:27] <loxs> Hi folks, Is there any room devoted to discussing ejabberd?
[19:09:03] <Mati> loxs, yes
[19:09:16] <Mati> loxs, ejabberd@conference.jabber.ru
[19:09:22] <waqas> ejabberd@conference.jabber.ru
[19:09:25] <waqas> .
[19:09:29] <Mati> waqas, ha!
[19:09:41] <Mati> loxs, but be aware, the room is usually rather quiet
[19:10:13] <loxs> um, OK, would you mind then if I ask you several questions (quite basic) on ejabberd?
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[19:12:15] <naw> loxs: feel free to ask
[19:13:36] <Mati> loxs, feel free to ask!
[19:14:30] <loxs> so far I am almost convinced that ejabberd is the right server for me, because I already use CouchDB extensively and they are both written in erlang. My concerns are regarding the mnesia database (for sure I don't know to have some SQL server running). Is it mature enough to be relied upon without too much effort in learning it?
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[19:14:52] <loxs> *don't want to have SQL server running
[19:15:10] <Mati> loxs, it always worked for me, but I never did much stuff with it, I only used it as a db backend
[19:16:11] <loxs> Mati: well, I'll probably rely quite heavily on it, as I am planning to build a web application on XMPP
[19:16:56] <evilotto> mnesia questions ar eprobably better answered on the erlang ML
[19:17:00] <loxs> probably the best way for me would be if it's not very hard to make ejabberd store the vital information (like user profiles and rosters) in CouchDB
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[19:17:25] <loxs> On which I have no troubles relying :)
[19:18:25] <evilotto> I'm pretty sure mnesia has been around a lot longer than couchdb.
[19:18:59] <loxs> well, CouchDB is around with me for years and I'm much more willing to rely on it :)
[19:19:01] <naw> loxs: http://thetofu.com/archive/ejabberd_couchdb_20090407.html
[19:19:05] <Mati> evilotto, that is not necessarily a criteria
[19:21:08] <loxs> hmm, thanks naw. I'll try it as it seems
[19:22:00] <waqas> I'd guess ejabberd has been tested more with mnesia than anything else. It's the default, no?
[19:22:04] <evilotto> Mati: no, but if often suggests that most of the nasty data corruption bugs have already been discovered and fixed.
[19:22:33] <loxs> another question. Are the "components" the right thing to investigate in order to achieve things like, creating/destroying large number of rooms. and also forcibly joining users to them etc.
[19:23:25] <loxs> evilotto: well, I can't imagine mnesia being more bulletproof than CouchDB, for the pure reason that I haven't seen anyghing as close to it (even in the RDBMs world)
[19:24:14] <MattJ> Mnesia doesn't scale too well
[19:24:17] <loxs> it uses document revisions in order to ensure document consistency, even between replicating nodes.
[19:24:23] <loxs> yeah, that too
[19:26:46] <naw> for technical questions you can also ask in the jdev room
[19:26:57] <naw> or in the mail lists
[19:29:03] <loxs> I see, I'll go ask at jdev
[19:29:05] <loxs> thanks
[19:31:23] <evilotto> is there a more up-to-date comparison of servers than http://www.saint-andre.com/jabber/jsc/ ? (to answer the question, "what server should I install?")
[19:31:58] <MattJ> Mine!
[19:32:11] <loxs> In no way am I an expert on the topic, but I wouldn't look at the feature comparisons too long :)
[19:32:17] <Mati> evilotto, there is a list on wikipedia
[19:32:22] <MattJ> That page is hopelessly out of date
[19:32:33] <MattJ> Wikipedia... looked inaccurate last I checked
[19:32:58] <Mati> MattJ, I basically updated prosody, ejabberd and tigase for when I evaluated software for jabber.at
[19:33:02] <MattJ> Zash (who isn't here) started on a project we've discussed a bit for making a tool to generate the comparison tables automatically, I'll be glad to see that finished :)
[19:34:18] <evilotto> Yeah, feature lists are only half the story; real-world feedback is good too. Where are the Amazon reviews on the OSS servers? :)
[19:35:19] <Mati> loxs, I migrated ejabberd from mnesia to postgres. My experience is, that support for external DBs is marginal at best
[19:35:27] <MattJ> evilotto, I've been collecting those reviews: http://prosody.im/testimonials ;)
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[21:06:18] <mandardhongdi123> akurei:HIII R U THERE
[21:07:22] <mandardhongdi123> HHIIII
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[21:20:48] <mandardhongdi123> HH
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[23:58:28] <pierce25737> hello, the Psi app for mac under the "Service Discovery" function cannot find the MSN Transport, could anybody assist me
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[00:00:55] <jorgecarrero\40jabber.org> hello, the Psi app for mac under the "Service Discovery" function cannot find the MSN Transport, could anybody assist me
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[00:02:27] <jorgecarrero\40jabber.org> hello, the Psi app for mac under the "Service Discovery" function cannot find the MSN Transport, could anybody assist me
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[00:24:11] <jorgecarrero> hello, the Psi app cannot find the MSN Transport service
[00:24:28] <jorgecarrero> could you please help me
[00:24:54] <jorgecarrero> I just want to setup my MSN into my iChat app
[00:25:53] <jorgecarrero> hello, is anybody there???
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[02:41:11] <zanchin> !xep 115
[02:41:13] <HAL> XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities is Standards Track (Draft, 2008-02-25) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0115.html
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