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[09:31:20] <PaulFertser> Kev: hi there :) thanks again for your prompt actions yesterday.
[09:32:22] <PaulFertser> Kev: i've another question. I'm still noticing long (>1min) reconnection times when my isp cuts the line every 24 hours. Not that much of an issue as i scheduled that to 4:30am now, but still.
[09:35:19] <Kev> Ah.
[09:35:29] <Kev> I was about to say "I have no idea why", but I do have an idea why.
[09:35:47] <Kev> I suspect that's the server being clever with the resource conflict resolution.
[09:36:22] <Kev> Your new session asks for the same resource as the old one. So the server tries to work out if the old session is still active - it'll kill it if not and give you the resource (what happens to you), or if it's still active it'll give you a new resource.
[09:36:42] <PaulFertser> Yeah, i remember you telling that. Quite smart approach.
[09:36:52] <Kev> The only way around this is going to be ending your sessions cleanly (probably not something you can do), or using random resources.
[09:37:15] <PaulFertser> Kev: the question is: why it takes so long for the server to work out if the old session is available?
[09:37:25] <Kev> It has to wait for the ping to timeout.
[09:37:38] <PaulFertser> Indeed. For how long? 10 min?
[09:37:44] <Kev> It takes you ten minutes?
[09:37:46] <Kev> No, certainly not.
[09:37:51] <Kev> It should be a few seconds.
[09:39:00] <MattJ> It was 3s iirc
[09:39:09] <MattJ> not 10 minutes :)
[09:39:22] <PaulFertser> Kev: i'll provide you with a log if you're interested :)
[09:39:34] <Kev> It's not going to hurt :)
[09:43:24] <PaulFertser> Ok, gotta go back home first to decently reproduce. Thanks for your patience.
[09:43:49] <Kev> I'll be here, I'm pretty much always here.
[09:48:55] <PaulFertser> Kev: managed to dig out an old log: http://pastebin.com/GrvcpyeP
[09:51:21] <MattJ> and you say the time you cannot connect to the server is the "....."?
[09:51:49] <MattJ> If that's the case it doesn't look like the server is holding anything up
[09:52:00] <Kev> PaulFertser: looks like you're not doing xmpp :)
[09:52:15] <PaulFertser> MattJ: it gives me resource-constraint for quite some time.
[09:52:35] <PaulFertser> Kev: i'm not, mcabber does :)
[09:52:50] <Kev> The conflict resolution only works if you're doing xmpp auth. If you're using the (obsolete for 7 years) iq:auth method, you're stuck until the old resource gets naturally timed out.
[09:52:58] <Kev> s/7/6/
[09:53:17] <PaulFertser> Kev: :))) ok, got it. Thanks a lot!
[09:53:55] <MattJ> PaulFertser, ask in the mcabber room whether mcabber supports SASL - I thought it did
[09:55:24] <PaulFertser> MattJ: i've mcabber author in my roster, we are both bleeding edge Debian on FreeRunner users :) It's just that i sometimes prefer to not upgrade what works. Apparently it doesn't now, so yes, i'll migrate to the newest version.
[09:55:53] <PaulFertser> mcabber uses Loudmouth nowadays.
[09:58:55] <PaulFertser> Thanks again :)
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[12:43:53] <chromus> Is this a moderated room?
[12:44:01] <Kev> No.
[12:44:17] <chromus> My apologies: I tried to post a message from a different account and it didn't appear to go through.
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[12:44:49] <chromus> Has anyone seen problems recently (within the last week or so) between gmail.com and jabber.org accounts?
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[13:11:55] <naw> I think that some days ago somebody was having problems too
[13:12:10] <naw> but I'm unable to tell more about that
[13:12:24] <chromus> I have a bot with a jabber.org account that continuously has problems communicating with gmail.com users.
[13:12:29] <naw> unable, because I don't know
[13:12:57] <Kev> [13:44:49] <chromus> Has anyone seen problems recently (within the last week or so) between gmail.com and jabber.org accounts? There were problems yesterday, they should be resolved now.
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[13:15:23] <chromus> A quick check with my bot shows that I'm still having problems.
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[13:15:37] <Kev> What sort of problems?
[13:15:42] <chromus> Though I'm not above saying my bot has issues rather than the connection.
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[13:15:58] <chromus> My bot is a java program using the Smack API for XMPP.
[13:16:03] <chromus> It thinks it's logged in right now.
[13:16:16] <Kev> No, I can confirm messages seem to not be getting through from jabber.org to gmail.
[13:16:17] <chromus> But sending a ping-message to it from my gmail.com account doesn't get a response.
[13:16:39] <chromus> In fact, according to my bot's logs, it didn't even receive the ping-message from me.
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[13:19:05] <Kev> Actually, that's backwards.
[13:19:11] <Kev> Everything from jabber.org to gmail is getting through fine.
[13:19:18] <Kev> Stuff from gmail to jabber.org isn't getting through.
[13:19:37] <chromus> That would explain my ping observation.
[13:19:42] <chromus> Glad to know it's not just me.
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[13:20:28] <chromus> Any data I can collect to help figure out what the error is?
[13:22:30] <Kev> Probably not thanks.
[13:23:19] <chromus> Thanks for the confirmation, then.
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[14:23:27] <Jo-Erlend Schinstad> I need a jabber server that's able to do MUC, using PAM for accounts and if possible, supporting jingle for a/v conversations.
[14:25:02] <Jo-Erlend Schinstad> oh.. Perhaps you're not receiving my messages at all then? I'm connected through gmail.
[14:25:20] <Kev> I saw that message.
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[14:31:16] <naw> Jo-Erlend Schinstad: some servers support LDAP, I don't know about pam
[14:32:21] <Jo-Erlend Schinstad> I'm trying not to increase the complexity more than necessary. I know that jabberd2 supports using PAM as backend, but I don't know much else about it.
[14:34:16] <naw> jabberd2 is an old server......
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[16:38:53] <capson07> Вы придурки
[16:41:36] <capson07> Дебилы
[16:42:00] <capson07> Хули молчите ебланы
[16:42:10] <Mati> capson07, this is an english room
[16:42:12] <Kev> capson07: this is an English-speaking room.
[16:42:14] <Mati> !ru
[16:42:27] <Mati> Kev, HALs dead ;-)
[16:42:34] <Kev> Now to do with me :)
[16:42:58] <Kev> Ah, Google translate for the win.
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