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[08:14:00] <jabba> Hello
[08:14:04] <jabba> Is there anybody?
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[08:28:13] <PaulFertser> Hi there :)
[08:28:23] <paramtadam> hi-hi
[08:28:25] <PaulFertser> Folks, there's some strang gmail issue again.
[08:28:30] <paramtadam> hihi
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[08:28:52] <PaulFertser> Neither presence nor message reach gmail contacts, but the opposite direction works.
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[08:32:33] <PaulFertser> Kev: hey, may i draw your attention to this please? ;)
[08:33:51] <Kev> My attention is already drawn.
[08:35:21] <PaulFertser> Kev: when i try to send a message to a gmail contact, i get ``404 Not Found'' some time later, that's while the other way messages and presence updates pass through.
[08:35:56] <PaulFertser> I think that started to happen about 24 hours ago, but i'm not sure.
[08:36:14] <Kev> Jun 20 03:29:51 hermes xmppd[14192]: I-MBOX-Info failed to connect to 74.125.95. 19:5269 host for gmail.com because Connection timed out
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[08:37:30] <Kev> So it looks like gmail has connectivity problems at the moment.
[08:38:59] <PaulFertser> Kev: i admit i have no idea how s2s works. It was just surprising to see only one-way connectivity working.
[08:39:11] <Kev> There's one connection for each direction with s2s.
[08:41:13] <PaulFertser> Kev: is it just me or gmail.com lacks necessary SRV records? (feeling confused)
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[08:41:25] <Kev> I see SRV for gmail.com
[08:42:23] <PaulFertser> I just did ``dig gmail.com ANY''
[08:42:36] <Kev> dig -t srv _xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com
[08:42:48] <PaulFertser> /me 's stupid, of course
[08:44:50] <PaulFertser> Kev: but connecting manually with telnet to one of those servers on port 5269 works here
[08:48:12] <Kev> But not from the jabber.org machine.
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[08:49:43] <PaulFertser> Kev: the ip you just posted is not reachable here either. But xmpp-server[1-4]*.l.google.com resolve to others that are available.
[08:49:51] <Kev> Yes, so I see.
[08:52:14] <Kev> Ah, I see a potential problem.
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[08:55:08] <PaulFertser> Kev: btw, how's life? Were you involved in anything interesting lately?
[08:55:23] <Kev> We released the Swift beta, that's fairly interesting.
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[09:03:00] <PaulFertser> Kev: after reading the blog for a little i can't really understand why write another client if the only difference is security labels and scram (assuming both of them can be reasonably easily added to any of the existing clients). But if you say that's cool to work on it, i take your word for it :)
[09:04:44] <Kev> Have a read of http://swift.im/releases/swift-1.0beta3/ :)
[09:05:04] <Kev> The big difference is trying to do the Right Thing for typical end-users.
[09:05:23] <Kev> I don't know of any other cross-platform client that has that as a main goal.
[09:08:48] <PaulFertser> Kev: tbh i thought that Gajim and Psi have the same goals.
[09:11:47] <Kev> Psi tried to turn around to focus on the typical end user, rather than the specialists, and it failed to do so because of the number of other users that it already has.
[09:13:02] <Kev> I can't say for Gajim, I've never worked on that.
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[09:13:30] <Kev> Psi, at least, serves a very definite purpose, but it's not for Aunt Tillie.
[09:15:03] <PaulFertser> Probably i just can't understand what you mean by the "typical end user". Psi never required manually editing config files or writing elisp or something like that. For me it just worked, exactly how i'd expect a modern GUI client to work.
[09:15:28] <Kev> Oh, once upon a time it did require manually editing config files to get to a number of the options ;)
[09:15:55] <Kev> I remember changing that.
[09:16:42] <PaulFertser> But if one doesn't need to tweak the options, it worked out-of-the-box.
[09:17:23] <PaulFertser> Also if a person says that his ideology prohibits him from changing a file with a text editor, i can't see why anyone should care. ;)
[09:17:44] <Kev> Yes, Psi is a good client - I ran the project for half a decade, remember.
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[09:18:03] <Kev> I'm not bashing on Psi, or Gajim, or etc.
[09:18:17] <Kev> But we did see a genuine need for another type of client.
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[09:21:14] <PaulFertser> I fail to understand unfortunately :/ But if you say you enjoy that, well, i'm glad :) And i like GPLv3 ;)
[09:21:33] <PaulFertser> Kev: so what about the gmail issue? You say you have a theory and now i'm curious :)
[09:22:01] <Kev> I think I'll need to restart the server in a couple of minutes, I'm not having any success fixing it.
[09:25:05] <PaulFertser> I very much hope you'll tell the cause of the failure when you find it ;)
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[09:26:36] <Kev> We've run out of spare tcp sockets.
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[09:27:55] <PaulFertser> Thanks :) I'm just trying to use every opportunity to gather practical knowledge. Who knows, i might face the same issue somewhere someday :)
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[09:35:16] <Kev> Yeah, I give up, I'll just bounce the service.
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[09:59:24] <PaulFertser> Yeah, works now :)
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[10:27:10] <taylor48211> Hi. I just registered a jabber account but can't seem to get it to work in either empathy or pidgin.
[10:28:43] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: what exactly is the problem?
[10:29:17] <taylor48211> Empathy just comes up red - disconnected - network error
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[10:29:55] <taylor48211> It doesn't seem like there are many settings I could muck up!!!!!! (maybe I have missed something)!
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[10:35:53] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: no xml console available?
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[10:36:15] <taylor48211> that might be the problem
[10:36:21] <taylor48211> what is an xml console?
[10:37:24] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: some place where you see raw communication with the server
[10:38:19] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: is it possible you've somehow mangled your JID when configuring?
[10:38:28] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: i mean, what is the JID you're trying to use?
[10:38:53] <taylor48211> (username)@jabber.org
[10:39:29] <taylor48211> Even if I try to register a new account through either pidgin or empathy it comes up with the same error
[10:40:30] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: if you look at the current muc topic, you'll see that currently account registration is disabled on jabber.org. How did you do that?
[10:41:07] <taylor48211> Oh OK.
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[10:42:21] <taylor48211> Initially I went to register.jabber.org and it said it had successfully created account
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[10:43:31] <taylor48211> Then when that wouldn't actually work I noticed Pidgin and Empathy both have an option 'account already exists' or 'create new account on the server' so I tried putting in different details with the create new account option but no good.
[10:45:22] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: unfortunately, folks have no plans for enabling in-band registration.
[10:45:46] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: i have no idea about current status of the web registration form, it used to be broken, but probably should have been fixed by now.
[10:46:03] <taylor48211> OK.
[10:46:10] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: you can try to register on any other of the numerous jabber servers, or just use your gmail account etc
[10:46:26] <taylor48211> Sorry so new to this.
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[10:46:35] <taylor48211> So there are other jabber servers
[10:46:49] <PaulFertser> Thousands of
[10:46:53] <taylor48211> Well of course there are there is Google talk etc
[10:46:56] <taylor48211> Yeah thanks
[10:47:03] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: google talk is jabber too.
[10:47:17] <taylor48211> Alright that's good I'll just go look for one
[10:47:24] <taylor48211> Any you reckon is good?
[10:48:41] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: jabber.cc probably
[10:50:07] <taylor48211> OK.....actually I just tried an Australian one and it has connected me!
[10:50:14] <taylor48211> Thanks for your help!
[10:51:00] <PaulFertser> taylor48211: welcome :)
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[12:32:16] <Chahirakaial> هاي
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[15:48:08] <Hmd_vip_99> هلو
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[16:15:29] <PaulFertser> Kev: btw, i still have a problem with long reconnection times after my isp cuts my ppp off (every 24 hours). Should i do any testing/gather any logs or something?
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[18:42:58] <anonymous49127> hi trying to set up jaaber on my php forum cant find a server list any ideas where to look?
[18:43:36] <MattJ> !services
[18:43:41] <MattJ> :(
[18:43:43] <anonymous49127> thnka
[18:43:47] <anonymous49127> thanks
[18:43:49] <MattJ> Thanks for what? :)
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[18:44:06] <MattJ> Meant to link to this: http://xmpp.org/services/
[18:44:07] <MattJ> !
[18:44:19] <MattJ> I'll never understand people
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[18:52:15] <mpranj> MattJ, me neither :D
[18:53:09] <mpranj> I hope he doesnt use "!services" as a server
[18:53:27] <MattJ> Heh
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[03:13:07] <buchanan4616> hi guys, im a newbie here.. can you suggest any tutorial sites I might study from to get started?
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