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[16:02:47] <flossy> I just tried to receive a specific pubsub item by using the item id. The result is an error that says I have to specify a subid. What is that? And how do I know/get the subid if I only have the id?
[16:07:08] <petermount> hg st
[16:07:18] <petermount> whoops, wrong window :-(
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[16:13:03] <zanchin> flossy, are you using openfire?
[16:14:03] <zanchin> if you are using openfire or have multiple subscriptions to the node, you'll need to specify a subscription id (subid)
[16:14:41] <zanchin> you can get it by requesting a list of your subscriptions to the pubsub node from the server. this list will include the subid for each subscription
[16:14:44] <flossy> yes, I'm using openfire
[16:15:11] <zanchin> openfire requires a subid to be specified even if you only have one subscription
[16:15:52] <flossy> ok, good to know :)
[16:16:58] <zanchin> here's the relevant part of the spec for retrieving your subscriptions: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#entity-subscriptions
[16:20:11] <flossy> does it matter if I'm the owner or not?
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[16:20:43] <zanchin> no, you can aways get your own subscriptions to a node
[16:21:04] <zanchin> s/aways/always/
[16:21:25] <flossy> ok, thank you!
[16:21:37] <zanchin> np :-)
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[17:08:05] <flossy> as far as I can see, there are mainly two different ways to persist private data: 1. Private XML Storage(xep-0049) 2. Pubsub / Persistence Storage of Private Data via Pubsub (xep-0223) What are the main differences? Advantages and disadvantages?
[17:08:26] <Kev> If you have access to 223, there are no advantages to 49.
[17:08:32] <Kev> 49's the older less nice method.
[17:09:41] <waqas> But 49 is almost ubiquitous, while 223 is not (on public servers).
[17:10:31] <Kev> Right.
[17:10:41] <flossy> so, now could use the implementation of 49 of the smack library or build my own 223 implementation. What should I do from a practical perspective?
[17:10:55] <Kev> It depends what you're building and where you're deploying it.
[17:11:06] <waqas> Kev: Is proxy.eu.jabber.org supposed to work? It's listed in the jabber.org disco#items.
[17:11:18] <Kev> Swift currently uses 49, because there are so few 223s available, fwiw.
[17:11:27] <Kev> waqas: it should work as far as I know.
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[17:13:34] <flossy> so, It might be a good idea to use 49 now and migrate to 223 in the future. My purpose is just to store some data (-objects) that is used by the application and It'll deployed on a local openfire server
[17:14:11] <Kev> Do you have multiple resources online at once?
[17:14:18] <Kev> If not, there's very little practical benefit to 223 anyway.
[17:14:44] <flossy> no, there is just one bot that manages all the data
[17:15:07] <Kev> 49 ahoy, then.
[17:15:16] <flossy> thank you!
[17:15:47] <flossy> ...btw. this room is really great! :)
[17:15:51] <Kev> It is :)
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[19:23:40] <deryni> I think I'm missing something in the moved xep. What spoofing possibilities are there? Tricking people into subscribing to random people? At the cost of their subscription to you?
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[19:36:29] <deryni> So the first attack is just getting a client to initiate subscriptions they'd automatically accept anyway? And the second wouldn't happen if the order of operations was mandated since the user's client would still have a subscription to the old jid, right?
[19:37:10] <stpeter> well
[19:37:42] <stpeter> I could subscribe to you and then trick you into subscribing to the CEO of the company (after which I'll promptly be fired, but hey)
[19:38:23] <deryni> Oh certainly, I'm not denying that the first isn't something untoward going on, just that the damage seems limited since the third-party could do the same thing themselves at will.
[19:38:24] <stpeter> or someone could claim that their old JID is mine
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[19:39:01] <deryni> Right, the biggest damage seems to me to be if the client silently replaces the old jid with the new jid in whatever alias/log/etc. context it has for the old jid.
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[19:39:13] <stpeter> so there's a minor attack involved in sending from the old JID, and a more serious attack involved in sending from the new JID and saying you've moved from the old JID (which isn't in fact yours)
[19:39:17] <stpeter> yep
[19:39:30] <stpeter> I just wanted the author to document both because I've become paranoid :)
[19:40:02] <deryni> Right, it just seems to me that mandating the order of operations makes the second attack impossible.
[19:40:26] <stpeter> that is my hope
[19:40:35] <stpeter> but perhaps entities won't follow the mandated order
[19:40:37] <stpeter> thus the note
[19:41:33] <deryni> The order of operations isn't mandated at the moment though, just non-officially recommended.
[19:42:01] <stpeter> at the moment, yes
[19:43:29] <deryni> Unrelated comments: the blurb in section 3 talks about user@example2.com and the lead in to the second attack says "causing users by guessing".
[19:54:21] <Zash> oh, you get notifications to other resources if you push data to the pubsub one
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