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[08:11:03] <shabbanhayat> /me
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[08:47:59] <pv> Hello, I know most likelly my hopes are too high but perhaps somebody has got a nice idea. Is there any client running on symbian phones which supports geolocation? Most modern phones do have internal GPS receiver so publishing my current location via PEP would be great I think.
[08:48:48] <Kev> BuddyCloud does things around that, I believe.
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[08:57:57] <pv> Kev: hmm. perhaps I am looking at the wrong thing: http://buddycloud.com This doesn't seem like XMPP client. Newertheless I'll take a look at it maybe.
[08:58:41] <Kev> It is an XMPP cliet.
[08:58:43] <Kev> +n
[08:59:00] <Kev> Or, at least - I know people who run it as an XMPP client.
[08:59:04] <Kev> On S60 phones.
[09:04:25] <pv> huh. I'm out of luck. The main problem is I'm blind and this app does not seem to be accessible.
[09:05:32] <Kev> Ah, that may well be.
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[09:08:08] <pv> Kev: Sorry for bothering now more more general question. I am sure you've been asked many times for advice when people are developing XMPP clients. Can you remember some accessibility related complains either from developers or from potential users?
[09:10:12] <Kev> pv: The only accessibility complaints I remember were when I was working on Psi that it wasn't screen-reader friendly. I've not had much exposure to accessibility issues, sorry.
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[16:15:14] <Hmd_vip_99> Hy
[16:15:37] <Hmd_vip_99> How r u all
[16:15:56] <stpeter> hi
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[16:16:26] <stpeter> or bye :)
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[19:12:02] <Z_God> unencrypted connections do not work at all anymore??
[19:12:29] <Z_God> my certificate expired today and I hadn't requested a new one yet, so all my s2s is dead :(
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[19:39:55] <evilotto> I'm pretty sure unencrypted connections still work with good old dialback. But it may be that an encrypted connection attempt that fails does not fall back to dialback.
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[21:53:36] <Mati> what exactly is a muc-status of "none"?
[21:54:01] <waqas> role or affiliation?
[21:54:06] <stpeter> :)
[21:54:15] <Kev> Mati: it doesn't exist.
[21:54:34] <Mati> hmm
[21:54:39] <Kev> It's a combination of two factors.
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[21:54:50] <Mati> I see 5 moderators, 13 participants and 4 "None"
[21:54:58] <Kev> A recent change to M-Link meant that buggy clients got marked as None when they change status.
[21:55:12] <Kev> (Role=None, that is)
[21:55:58] <Mati> Kev, hmm - I use gajim
[21:56:14] <Kev> Oh, that's interesting.
[21:56:41] <Mati> I'll try to rejoin
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[21:56:55] <Mati> hmm
[21:56:57] <Mati> now its gone
[21:57:05] <Kev> It'll come back when you change status, probably.
[21:57:13] <Kev> Open your XML console and change status :)
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[21:57:21] <Mati> hmm very strange
[21:57:24] <Mati> I just did, its still gone
[21:57:28] <Kev> Odd.
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[22:01:49] <Mati> no, now I have it
[22:01:52] <Mati> I am not in it
[22:01:56] <Mati> NiGHt-LEshiY is
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[22:07:17] <Florob> Kev, mind giving me a quick wrap up of affiliation=none problematic?
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[22:08:01] <Kev> It seems to happen if you send presence to the muc bare jid
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[22:10:08] <Mati> now naw is in it too :-P
[22:10:15] <Florob> Kev, and did you see Mati having a affiliation of none? I'm having trouble imagining why gajim would do that sometimes, but behave most of the time.
[22:10:23] <Kev> Yes, that's odd.
[22:10:50] <Mati> Is there any XML or so I could capture?
[22:10:54] <Kev> Mati: sure.
[22:11:02] <Mati> Kev, what exactly?
[22:11:03] <Kev> But it's only relevant if you become None
[22:11:44] <Mati> Kev, If I start capturing now, go away for a while and then have a huge XML dump, is there something specific to search for? ;-)
[22:12:09] <Kev> 'None'
[22:12:19] <Kev> Find the moment that you became None
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[22:12:38] <Mati> Kev, ok, I will join again and start capturing
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[22:17:35] <Mati> now NiGHt-LEshiY has been set to none - Kev, is that also interesting?
[22:18:17] <Kev> Not really.
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[22:22:04] <Mati> ok
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[23:52:47] <Mati> hmm
[23:52:49] <Mati> now nobody is in that list
[23:52:58] <Mati> ... I am stopping the xml capture for now
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[23:53:43] <waqas> Am I in that list now? :)
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[00:47:12] <poezio> Florob> Kev, mind giving me a quick wrap up of affiliation=none problematic? <= Oh, yeah, this caused a crash in my client :D
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