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[16:51:26] <darkrain> mentor: What about the definition in the spec (in section 2.1) is confusing?
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[18:39:22] <mentor> darkrain: So, the part in parentheses is normative, and not a synopsis of a definition elsewhere? If so, what does (foo|bar) mean? Is it an optional component?
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[19:05:06] <darkrain> Well, the normative definition is the first paragraph following the box in 3.3 "The Time Zone Definition is optional; if included, it MUST be either UTC (denoted by addition of the character 'Z' to the end of the string) or some offset from UTC (denoted by addition of '[+|-]' [6 <#nt-id266124>] and 'hh:mm' to the end of the string)". "(foo|bar)" means either "foo" or "bar", so in this case, a TZ offset is either 'Z' or +hh:mm or -hh:mm
[19:07:53] <mentor> OK
[19:07:58] <mentor> erg
[19:08:16] <mentor> Yes, failure to read there
[19:08:29] <mentor> However, still, does that mean optional or not
[19:08:30] <mentor> ?
[19:09:27] <mentor> OK
[19:09:45] <mentor> May I assume that [foo|bar] means the same as (foo|bar)
[19:09:45] <xepbot> bar
[19:10:04] <mentor> I'm not doing very well todya
[19:10:05] <MattJ> xepbot likes you
[19:10:16] <MattJ> What is mentor doing?
[19:10:16] <xepbot> Mentor is not doing very well todya
[19:10:35] <mentor> Can I feed it?
[19:11:15] <darkrain> mentor: They're not optional, I think
[19:12:07] <darkrain> Postel's Law <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle> suggests you should accept no '+' or '-' (default to it being positive), but always add a '+' or '-' in any date you generate
[19:14:31] <mentor> OK, thanks. And, yes, indeed.
[19:17:30] <MattJ> Look at darkrain and his fancy XHTML :)
[19:17:42] <darkrain> :P
[19:17:59] <MattJ> Makes a change to see someone actually /using/ it
[19:18:02] <MattJ> and not abusing it
[19:19:35] <darkrain> I try
[19:20:43] <darkrain> !xep time
[19:20:45] <xepbot> Multiple matches: XEP-0090: Legacy Entity Time, XEP-0202: Entity Time, XEP-0082: XMPP Date and Time Profiles, XEP-0149: Time Periods
[19:20:51] <darkrain> !xep 202
[19:20:51] <xepbot> XEP-0202: Entity Time is Standards Track (Final, 2009-09-11) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0202.html
[19:21:33] <darkrain> !xep 149
[19:21:33] <xepbot> XEP-0149: Time Periods is Informational (Active, 2006-01-24) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0149.html
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[19:22:48] <waqas> darkrain: your message appeared as: "(denoted by addition of '[+|-]' [6 <#nt-id266124>] and 'hh:mm' to the end of the string)" - broken link? :)
[19:23:29] <darkrain> Copy-paste from the XEP -- blame Chrom(e|ium) for not translating it into a full link
[19:26:22] <waqas> darkrain: Chrome is copying the full absolute URL here
[19:27:07] <darkrain> What version? I'm using 5.0.396.0 dev (on Linux)
[19:27:55] <waqas> 5.0.375.29 beta. I could check in a chromium nightly, but AFAIK it does the same.
[19:29:10] <waqas> Note, I tried pasting in gmail within chrome, and in Word.
[19:31:33] <darkrain> Pasting into gmail here fails, so I'd guess it's a Chrome-on-Linux issue.
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[19:32:38] <darkrain> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28960
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[21:14:58] <Kev> [20:12:07] <darkrain> Postel's Law <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle> suggests you should accept no '+' or '-' (default to it being positive), but always add a '+' or '-' in any date you generate
[21:15:05] <Kev> Accept, but not ignore that it's wrong.
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[21:22:10] <darkrain> Yeah.
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[21:59:23] <Zash> liberal on input, strict on output
[22:00:13] <waqas> We refuse to accept malformed XML.
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[22:10:15] <Zash> Don't all xml parsers do that?
[22:10:22] <Zash> except maybe the broken ones
[22:11:05] <MattJ> XMPP parsers don't :P
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