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[05:26:05] <joerlend.schinstad> One thing I like about Telepathy, is the ability to share a connection between several clients. That way, your addressbook application can easily show if someone is online or offline, for instance. Can that be done in pure XMPP using priority or resources?
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[07:41:55] <naw> joerlend.schinstad: you can connect to jabber from different locations at the same time
[07:42:16] <naw> each connection will need a different resource name
[07:42:54] <naw> the priority says where should go the messages
[07:44:28] <joerlend.schinstad> naw: yes, but can two different clients receive the same message?
[07:45:21] <naw> I wouldn't count on that
[07:45:58] <joerlend.schinstad> let's say I have one account. I want to have one chat application, but I also want my addressbook application to receive presence information about my contact so it can show me who's available. I also want a third application to get some notifications.
[07:45:59] <naw> some servers broadcast the message to all the resources until a client answers, then they go only to that client
[07:46:12] <naw> all receive the presence messages
[07:48:20] <joerlend.schinstad> I haven't been able to completely grasp the concept of resources and priority.
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[07:51:20] <naw> say you have user@server That user can connect from his home as user@server/home where home would be his resource name, and then go to work and connect as user@server/work his contacts will see him and his two resources and will be able to send messages to user@server, user@server/home or user@server/work
[07:51:46] <naw> if the message is sent to user@server/home or user@server/work the message will be delivered to that resource
[07:52:25] <naw> if the message is to user@server it will be delivered to the higher priority resource
[07:52:43] <joerlend.schinstad> oh, so priority is per resource, not connection?
[07:52:59] <naw> but, as I said, some servers deliver to all resources until one replyes
[07:53:29] <naw> priority is per resource, and resource is per connection
[07:53:42] <naw> so a connection will have a priority
[07:54:00] <naw> the priority can be changed during the session
[07:54:58] <naw> In http://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc3921.html#rules you an read how the server has to deliver messages, presences and IQ stanzas
[07:55:17] <naw> the messages are delivered to all the available resources
[08:01:41] <joerlend.schinstad> what is an IQ stanza?
[08:03:10] <naw> is the kind of stanza that your client send when he wants to list the services in the servr, get the VCard of a contact......
[08:03:21] <joerlend.schinstad> oh, ok.
[08:04:03] <naw> I guess that they are called like that for "inquiry" but I'm just guessing
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[13:33:33] <mysterious> hello i am quite new to jabber. I wonder if it's possible to use profile-icons in jabber or does this depend on the server?
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[13:34:47] <waqas> You mean avatars? Image other see for your account?
[13:34:53] <waqas> *others
[13:35:03] <mysterious> yeah sorry, i didn't get the word
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[13:37:05] <waqas> Jabber supports that. I see the Serious Bag image you have in your vCard.
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[13:38:36] <mysterious> oh really. then my friend didn't set his one. sorry for this question and thank you
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[13:44:11] <mysterious> Can you recommend me a jabber client that supports voip? atm i am using pidgin
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[13:49:24] <waqas> Linux?
[13:49:33] <waqas> Windows?
[14:00:36] <mysterious> for both:/
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[14:05:49] <naw> pidgin or psi
[14:06:28] <mysterious> ... pidgin supports voip? i searched for that function but there was none
[14:09:24] <waqas> Pidgin supports it on linux only. I heard Psi had experimental support on windows (not sure if it's in the stable release yet).
[14:12:17] <mysterious> ahh thank you
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[19:54:59] <aundumla> hi
[19:55:28] <aundumla> anybody out there?
[20:06:26] <elmo> hi aundumla
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[20:26:05] <aundumla> is there an xmpp extension for colaborative text edition?
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[20:27:45] <rektide> i'd like to host a MUC on jabber and IRC both
[20:28:04] <rektide> are there alternatives to the gateway approach, an integrated server that can do both at once directly?
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[20:29:10] <rektide> http://blathersource.org/node/68 i think describes the idea
[20:34:29] <naw> rektide: ejabberd has a module for that
[20:34:52] <naw> it allows to connect to MUCs using an IRC client
[20:35:00] <rektide> nice
[20:36:02] <naw> http://www.ejabberd.im/ejabberd_ircd
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[21:33:43] <Mati> uhm, guys? M-Link free software?
[21:34:55] <Kev> No.
[21:36:16] <Mati> o... k....
[21:43:59] <Mati> Kev, are you guys paying any licensing fees or so?
[21:45:23] <naw> no, the request for servers specify that it should be free
[21:46:02] <naw> that the main jabber server is using a particular implementation can count as advertising
[21:47:35] <Kev> Mati: no licensing fees. Isode get assorted benefits from running jabber.org
[21:48:08] <Mati> ok, thanks for the info
[22:04:05] <Tobias> like free interop testing :)
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[22:14:56] <Anthony> Hello. Does anyone know jabber clients that can use PGP other than Psi?
[22:16:02] <naw> I think that gajim uses it too
[22:16:10] <naw> and tkabber
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[22:17:19] <Anthony> kthx
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[22:53:17] <mysterious> Hello. I have got a question.
[22:53:36] <mysterious> I am using voip with a friend over xmpp
[22:55:20] <naw> and what is the problem?
[22:55:38] <mysterious> oh sorry i was a bit distracted
[22:56:07] <mysterious> depends the traffic on the client or on the xmpp?
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[22:57:33] <naw> your client tells the other client (in xmpp, through the server) that it wants to create a voice session that will be created in a direct connection between the clients
[22:57:58] <naw> the audio session is in RTP
[22:58:18] <mysterious> oh ok
[22:58:32] <naw> although there are more protocols than RTP
[22:58:41] <mysterious> hm
[22:59:00] <naw> if you want to see the specs, go to http://xmpp.org/extensions/ and look at the jingle ones
[22:59:14] <mysterious> ah thanks
[23:03:24] <mysterious> huh those are loads to read
[23:06:58] <naw> yes, the average user should not need to look at that, since they are intended for developers
[23:07:34] <naw> in fact, the average user will not understand anything :p
[23:08:09] <mysterious> well then i am glad to say that i am lightly more than an averange user xD
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[23:09:05] <mysterious> so there is nothing i can do to make lower the traffic?
[23:09:39] <naw> to decrease the bandwidth? no, as far I know
[23:09:40] <mysterious> >.< without make
[23:10:01] <mysterious> that's a pity
[23:10:18] <naw> maybe the client could use a codec with a lower bitrate.......
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[23:10:58] <naw> but I think that there is no client with an easy access to that settings
[23:11:31] <mysterious> hm... and other clients wouldn't be compatible, would they?
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[23:13:58] <naw> I'm not sure, but most codecs have different encoding settings, so maybe something could be made
[23:14:17] <naw> but it may need to go to the code and modify it
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[23:17:56] <mysterious> *sigh* perhaps somewhere in the future...
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