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[18:17:28] <StuFF mc> Hello
[18:17:45] <MattJ> Hi
[18:18:05] <StuFF mc> If I got "feature-not-implemented:" back from the server when asking for capabilities...
[18:18:21] <StuFF mc> does that (sadly) means the server cannot give this information? :(
[18:18:30] <StuFF mc> in my case jabberd2, using this ruby code
[18:18:35] <StuFF mc> helper = Jabber::Discovery::Helper.new(client) info = helper.get_info_for(jid)
[18:19:19] <StuFF mc> it should return a [Jabber::Discovery::IqQueryDiscoInfo <http://home.gna.org/xmpp4r/rdoc/classes/Jabber/Discovery/IqQueryDiscoInfo.html>] normally
[18:20:13] <johnny> is jabberd2 even maintained?
[18:20:26] <johnny> StuFF mc, you might want to just switch to prosody or ejabberd or tigase..
[18:24:06] <StuFF mc> I don't
[18:24:09] <StuFF mc> too late for that
[18:24:26] <StuFF mc> I will however the next time I have to work with Jabber
[18:24:36] <StuFF mc> ejabberd never really worked for me
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[18:24:59] <StuFF mc> but I'll give a short to tigase the next time
[18:25:43] <StuFF mc> will be back in a few minufes
[18:28:05] <johnny> StuFF mc, prosody is good too.. and simpler to setup
[18:28:16] <johnny> jabberd2 won't really get many updates or features
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[18:35:47] <StuFF mc> back
[18:42:08] <StuFF mc> does prosody or tigase have such features?
[18:42:22] <MattJ> Which?
[18:42:41] <MattJ> Oh, disco#info?
[18:42:50] <MattJ> Frankly I'm surprised jabberd2 doesn't
[18:43:06] <MattJ> It's pretty standard, and not exactly new
[18:43:06] <johnny> jabberd2 should have it..
[18:43:17] <johnny> StuFF mc, try it wht prosody.im
[18:43:36] <johnny> it could really be a xmpp4r bug..
[18:44:19] <StuFF mc> on the jabberd2 ML they say it's a client feature, not a server feature
[18:44:54] <johnny> i wonder how jabberd2 is doing these days..
[18:44:57] <johnny> seeing more work?
[18:45:22] <MattJ> That's nonsense
[18:45:28] <StuFF mc> It's the usual thing, when I entered the XMPP jungle I didn't know which one to choose
[18:45:53] <StuFF mc> the Jabber world is the exact same thing than the Unix world…. 3 million implementations
[18:46:04] <MattJ> StuFF mc, find one that's active, well-supported and where the developers are responsive to your queries and problems
[18:46:10] <johnny> well. if it is actively maintained.. then go ahead and use it.. but for a long time
[18:46:13] <johnny> it wasn't
[18:46:13] <StuFF mc> (and this isn't coming from a Windows guy, no)
[18:46:34] <StuFF mc> it probably isn't
[18:46:54] <StuFF mc> but as I already said, I first looked at ejabbered which never really worked
[18:47:14] <StuFF mc> and then saw that jabberd2 was the most successful… anyways…. it's not the current problem :)
[18:47:57] <MattJ> What was your ultimate goal?
[18:48:05] <MattJ> I mean, why send the disco#info?
[18:51:00] <StuFF mc> to check who's the client
[18:51:03] <StuFF mc> connecting
[18:51:25] <StuFF mc> I'm trying to only allow my API to enter a room
[18:51:27] <StuFF mc> not another client
[18:51:45] <StuFF mc> <error code='501' type='cancel'><feature-not-implemented xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas'/></error><query xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#info'/>
[18:52:19] <StuFF mc> this is what I got as an IQ when asking for disco@info
[18:52:21] <StuFF mc> #info
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[19:06:50] <MattJ> Oh, you're sending it to the client from the server?
[19:07:36] <StuFF mc> I'd like
[19:08:36] <MattJ> Then you probably want to send it to the client's full JID
[19:08:53] <MattJ> instead of its bare JID
[19:08:53] <StuFF mc> oh, that's a smart idea
[19:09:06] <MattJ> before I thought you were trying to send it to the server itself
[19:09:19] <MattJ> which is why I was surprised
[19:10:02] <StuFF mc> oh, wait
[19:10:20] <StuFF mc> the best thing would be to "block" a client in the server config
[19:10:29] <StuFF mc> but as it sound not doable (as weird as it is too me)
[19:10:46] <StuFF mc> the other option is to have my bot kick someone not having the "right" full JID
[19:11:02] <MattJ> That would be possible with a server plugin
[19:11:17] <MattJ> Still, you know this isn't a very foolproof method I assume? :)
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[19:29:52] <Zash> MattJ: I'm reading the OSW list and you mention a proposed successor to XEP 114, but there's no link
[19:30:03] <MattJ> My mistake
[19:32:38] <MattJ> Fixed
[19:32:42] <MattJ> It was [xep 225]
[19:32:43] <xepbot> XEP-0225: Component Connections is Standards Track (Experimental, 2008-10-06) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0225.html
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[19:46:09] <Zash> has anyone thought of some way to let components intercept stanzas and do stuff to them
[19:47:14] <Zash> the component xeps seem to deal mostly with just auth stuffs
[19:49:07] <MattJ> Yes, it's on my todo :)
[19:49:07] <johnny> only internal components can do that
[19:49:08] <Zash> kind of like [xep 273] but server wide, and letting the component modify it or such
[19:49:08] <xepbot> XEP-0273: Stanza Interception and Filtering Technology is Standards Track (Experimental, 2009-09-15) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0273.html
[19:49:11] <johnny> right?
[19:49:16] <johnny> atm anyways
[19:49:21] <MattJ> johnny, correct
[19:49:39] <johnny> and the 273 changes that?
[19:49:55] <MattJ> The idea is that a component could say to the server "Let me see any stanzas that look like this, before you route them"
[19:50:03] <johnny> ah
[19:50:05] <MattJ> 273 is for clients only at the moment
[19:50:15] <MattJ> I think something for components would be a new XEP
[19:50:35] <johnny> Zash, atm.. it is specific per server, because internals are all different
[19:50:48] <Zash> mm
[19:50:55] <johnny> so how you plug into the stanza routing is never the same
[19:51:36] <MattJ> Zash, your coding skills are always welcome ;)
[19:53:31] <Zash> :P
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[21:04:39] <StuFF mc> Guys, I'm out - thanks for your help. I'll have a look into this again later. Cheers.
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[23:06:24] <MattJ> Grief
[23:06:43] <MattJ> "XMPP is a different story. The schema guys won that battle, and apparently XMPP is very complex as a result, and there aren't a huge number of implementations. I say apparently because I don't know -- I have never implemented XMPP, and have never set up a server. I wish I could. I now think I understand why I can't."
[23:06:57] <MattJ> Can't set up an XMPP server because it's hard because XMPP is XML-based?
[23:07:06] <MattJ> ???
[23:13:41] <Florob> MattJ, Where's that from?
[23:13:55] <MattJ> http://www.scripting.com/stories/2010/05/19/theHavocTheXmlPuristsWroug.html
[23:19:52] <Florob> Am I being ignorant if I alway sthought there was nothing more to XML than elements, attributes and namespaces?
[23:20:41] <MattJ> Evidently :)
[23:22:19] <Florob> That's definitely the most confusing and incoherent thing I have read in a while...
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