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[11:47:31] <aneta> *HI*
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[11:56:39] <niekie> MattJ, do you have the [book] though?
[11:56:39] <HAL> XMPP: The Definitive Guide - http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596157197/
[11:56:46] <MattJ> No :)
[11:56:49] <niekie> :(
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[11:57:22] <waqas> I have no XMPP books at all :/
[11:57:27] <MattJ> I figured I wasn't exactly among the target audience :)
[11:57:41] <waqas> MattJ: Let's write one ;)
[11:58:16] <MattJ> Writing books is just a time sink :)
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[11:58:25] <Kev> MattJ: anyone who can afford to buy a copy is the target audience :p
[11:58:35] <MattJ> Kev, ok, I'm still not the target audience ;)
[11:58:52] <MattJ> /me already has his eye on two books he's working towards
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[11:59:19] <Kev> It certainly is a timesink, though.
[11:59:41] <Kev> The return on doing gsoc is vastly higher.
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[16:48:46] <stpeter> jud != conferencing
[16:48:50] <stpeter> jud = user directory
[16:49:07] <stpeter> you need mu-conference or Palaver or something like that
[16:49:20] <stpeter> or just use Prosody or ejabberd or openfire (they include conferencing)
[16:51:23] <MattJ> mu-conference is the jabber-muc package in Debian/Ubuntu
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[17:42:11] <rjhall> hi. Is there any proposal in the works to dictate (/recommend) how clients should aggregate multiple presence show states?
[17:42:53] <rjhall> when one user sees john as away and another as dnd (as each user is using a different client) there is confusion and complaints
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[17:44:04] <Kev> rjhall: well, ideally the clients will sort out the priorities so there aren't clashes, and then they can render the highest priority resource.
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[17:45:01] <rjhall> Kev: agreed, but many clients don't support priorities well and even then there's a non-trivial chance of having multiple resources at 0 priority
[17:45:27] <rjhall> some clients appear to treat "last modified wins" and some "most available wins"
[17:45:32] <rjhall> at least in my very limited testing
[17:45:49] <Kev> Both of which are valid, depending on your pov.
[17:46:00] <rjhall> which is exactly the issue :)
[17:46:28] <rjhall> shouldn't someone inthe jabber / xsf community take a stance (a pov) and recommend it, for consistency?
[17:46:41] <Kev> Possibly.
[17:46:48] <darkrain> "last modified wins" falls over with Google Talk, unless all clients start always stamping a delayed delivery timestamp on their presences
[17:47:05] <Kev> darkrain: why's that?
[17:47:12] <Kev> darkrain: oh, because Google re-transmits presence, ignore me.
[17:47:32] <darkrain> I assume they do that for non-MUC, although now that I think, I'm not sure I've observed it.
[17:47:56] <MattJ> I think I might have
[17:48:02] <MattJ> But don't quote me on it :)
[17:49:46] <rjhall> hmm... what does that mean darkrain?
[17:49:51] <rjhall> / kev
[17:51:04] <Kev> At least for MUC directed presence, Google Talk resends presence on behalf of the client, without the client asking it to.
[17:51:21] <Kev> Which means you can't see what the most recent resource to change its presence was.
[17:51:35] <rjhall> i see. thx
[17:54:20] <darkrain> Hrm, I'm not seeing it for non-directed presence.
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[18:52:44] <MattJ> Glad to hear it :)
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[20:34:08] <naw> !services
[20:34:08] <HAL> http://www.jabberes.org/servers/
[20:34:14] <naw> there is a list
[20:34:44] <naw> but I would prefer to use a multiprotocol client
[20:39:02] <MattJ> No, then you'd use something like [spectrum] connected to your XMPP server
[20:39:02] <HAL> Open-source gateways based on libpurple (Pidgin): http://spectrum.im/
[20:41:09] <MattJ> iChat doesn't support registering initially, but will work once that has been done (e.g. with another client)
[20:41:26] <MattJ> There are other clients that work on Mac, like Psi and Adium
[20:44:16] <MattJ> No, you asked about gateways :)
[20:44:36] <MattJ> Do you have a server running already?
[20:50:54] <naw> you only need gateways if you need access to msn/yahoo!/aim. If you only need internal IM, you can just use jabber/xmpp
[20:51:33] <naw> just install a jabber server http://xmpp.org/software/servers.shtml
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[21:01:16] <MattJ> Yes, a few people do that (including jabber.org)
[21:02:53] <MattJ> Yes, it's called "shared roster" in most servers
[21:03:20] <MattJ> You're welcome, it's why we're here :)
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[00:17:03] <estabon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLZDye9gVCw&NR=1
[00:18:23] <estabon> A trackPAD is most dificult on WAP!
[00:19:11] <estabon> Hey Matt!
[00:23:01] <estabon> <enable> -483049 = true!
[00:23:58] <estabon> Greetings waqas!
[00:24:43] <estabon> B-)
[00:25:46] <estabon> Greetings niekie!
[00:26:02] <estabon> I will return again.
[00:26:22] <Donovan> How much coffee have you had in the past hour, estabon? :)
[00:26:43] <estabon> Been smokin?
[00:28:11] <estabon> :-o
[00:29:10] <estabon> wz kbhm
[00:29:35] <estabon> //.. cd
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[00:32:49] <estabon> perl linguistics <... cgi-bin> load ai in LUAU
[00:33:32] <estabon> ;)
[00:35:38] <estabon> MattJ trackpad is difficult... but "BY DOD" I am kewl! beans.
[00:36:18] <estabon> !
[00:37:38] <estabon> !define
[00:37:38] <HAL> What?
[00:38:06] <estabon> !timE
[00:38:46] <estabon> !commands
[00:39:28] <estabon> !define ricardo
[00:39:29] <HAL> *Ricardo* is the Portuguese and Spanish cognate of the name Richard.
[00:40:08] <estabon> :D
[00:42:32] <estabon> !xep last
[00:42:33] <HAL> Multiple matches: XEP-0256: Last Activity in Presence, XEP-0012: Last Activity
[00:43:36] <estabon> !last
[00:43:43] <estabon> !store
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[00:55:27] <estabon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaEJzoaYZk
[00:55:27] <HAL> YouTube - Steve Earle - Copperhead Road
[00:57:10] <Donovan> /me evilly counters with:
[00:57:12] <Donovan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hM0wmnlH08
[00:57:12] <HAL> YouTube - Pizzicato Five Baby Love Child
[00:57:26] <Donovan> (bear in mind, I like both those songs)
[00:58:09] <Donovan> (and be glad I didn't toss out the Japanese version) :)
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[01:06:41] <estabon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqNBhRiLetg
[01:06:41] <HAL> YouTube - Lynard Skynard-Simple Man
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[01:10:18] <Tester> Test
[01:10:29] <estabon> TEST!
[01:12:36] <estabon> TESSler
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[01:18:51] <estabon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2ZxV7wul8A
[01:18:51] <HAL> YouTube - Queen - Great King Rat
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[01:29:15] <estabon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPe0hhyUCx0
[01:29:16] <HAL> YouTube - Queen - Liar (from Greatest Hits)
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[04:21:33] <Vikirex> 8-)
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[04:44:43] <Vikirex> :-D
[04:44:55] <Vikirex> Hello
[04:45:20] <Vikirex> Any..girls!
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